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QUOTE 6/14/2011 11:33:21 PM
I know their is alot of oponions about this subject but I'll start by saying that a raw diet with supplements has by far produced the best results with my dogs. Vet bills almost non existant because most health issues I experienced with kibble were cleared up over time. With the addition of garlic and bragg vinegar fleas and ticks are non existant . I have also noticed a decrease in the overall smell of my dogs as well as lower water intake. The diet consists mostly of chicken leg quaters,rabbits,beef,organs(liver ,kidney) whatever is available at savings,egg yolk and shells,processed veggies  at times and a good vitamin supplement. This is my third year with no complaints. Any other opinions on this issue would be appreciated.

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QUOTE 6/15/2011 7:07:04 AM
 I agree most of the kibble out there, including some of the high dollar stuff, is garbage. When you read the ingredients and realize dogs are not able to get much out of ground yellow corn or chicken by products( feet, feathers, beaks , and  heads) it can be depressing. When you read the label notice it says "crude" protein and not digestable protein. Plus soy can cause skin issues in some breeds like cockers.

 But on the other hand, a dog does need some plant proteins as well as meat proteins.  Plus if you are licensed in my state, you cannot feed a raw diet. My inspector had  a heart attack and came unglued when I showed  him my freezer full of hamburger for the dogs.( Another reason to hate the government) But I think you are partially on the right track with feeding a more natural diet.

 The biggest  test for any diet is how many pounds of feed go in versus how many pounds of poop come out the other end. Plus what is the dog's overall appearance and is the coat shiny and his eyes bright or is he a dull coated slug. If it works for you great. I would recommend anyone thinking of trying it to take a picture of your dog first. Weigh your dog and then keep track of the in and out weighs for about 2 months. At the end of 2 months compare pictures of before and after. There is your answer. 

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QUOTE 12/4/2011 5:46:01 PM
I feed my wolves raw meat without any vitamin supplements except for at least weekly organ meats (also raw) but some dogs have had their digestive systems so distorted that they don't digest raw meat well.  There seems to be a correlation with large changes in size and appearance and fussy digestive systems.  Isuspect that the incidence of diabetes in dogs is directly due to the carb content of most commercial dog foods.

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QUOTE 12/28/2011 3:42:54 PM
I want to feed my dogs raw, but am uneasy. What supplement would I use? 

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QUOTE 3/13/2012 12:21:43 AM

If your feeding your dog well, why add supplements? You should need to.

I have always fed my dogs raw meat etc and had no problems.

I buy pet mince from a butcher or meat shop etc.

This usually contains all kinds of meats including some organs and good fats. I buy it in bulk then bag it up in meal proportions and freeze it! I'm only on a pension, so this is great. Once I take it out of the freezer, I’ll thaw it in the fridge. I add other good stuff to it too. Here is a list of things that you can add to the mince. Add one or two of these so they get a variety.


Cooked egg, bran, bakes beans, tinned spaghetti, cooked rice, steamed mixed vegetables ,about a cup (buy frozen, NO POTATO, or ONION). Also NO grapes or chocolate.

See bad food lest below.

Cooked pasta, chopped parsley (tbsp), chopped garlic (deters fleas), tin fish , fresh cooked fish is much better -  (good for Omega). NOT cat food!

I will chop up chicken livers, lambs organs as well. But not a lot as it is high in something, can't remember what, lol, sorry.

Also, I will give them a chicken carcass instead of their normal meal. Chicken necks are great too. Couple of times a week, I will add one or two with their normal meal.

Bones. NOT COOKED!!!! Raw bones are very important. They clean your dog’s teeth and help to keep their gums healthy. EVERY day, give him a bone or two!! And when I go out i give them a bone too.

I also give treats, like charcoal biscuits or piggy ears, things like that.

Also, it's actually good for them to miss out on a meal now and again too...perhaps just their raw bone. It doesn't hurt them to miss out on a meal once in a while, it actually does them good.

If you do the above, you won't need to give supplements! AND your dog will be healthy and very happy!

Remember - when changing their diet, do it gradually.

Most of the things that I have listed will already be in your pantry. It's not expensive, especially when things are marked down.



No matter how good you think the guacamole is, you shouldn't give it to your dog. Avocados contain a substance called persin. It's harmless for humans who aren't allergic. But large amounts might be toxic to dogs. If you happen to be growing avocados at home, keep your dog away from the plants. Persin is in the leaves, seed, and bark, as well as in the fruit.


Beer, liquor, wine, foods containing alcohol -- none of it's good for your dog. That's because alcohol has the same effect on a dog's liver and brain that it has on humans. But it takes far less to do its damage. Just a little can cause vomiting, diarrhea, central nervous system depression, problems with coordination, difficulty breathing, coma, even death. And the smaller the dog, the greater the effect.


Onions and Garlic

Onions and garlic in all forms -- powdered, raw, cooked, or dehydrated -- can destroy a dog's red blood cells, leading to anemia. That can happen even with the onion powder found in some baby food. An occasional small dose is probably OK. But just eating a large quantity once or eating smaller amounts regularly can cause poisoning. Symptoms of anemia include weakness, vomiting, little interest in food, dullness, and breathlessness.

Coffee, Tea, and Other Caffeine

Caffeine in large enough quantities can be fatal for a dog. And, there is no antidote. Symptoms of caffeine poisoning include restlessness, rapid breathing, heart palpitations, muscle tremors, fits, and bleeding. In addition to tea and coffee - including beans and grounds -- caffeine can be found in cocoa, chocolate, colas, and stimulant drinks such as Red Bull. It's also in some cold medicines and pain killers.

Grapes and Raisins

Grapes and raisins have often been used as treats for dogs. But it's not a good idea. Although it isn't clear why, grapes and raisins can cause kidney failure in dogs. And just a small amount can make a dog ill. Repeated vomiting is an early sign. Within a day, the dog will become lethargic and depressed. The best prevention is to keep grapes and raisins off counters and other places your dog can reach.

Milk and Other Dairy Products

On a hot day, it may be tempting to share your ice cream cone with your dog. But if your dog could, it would thank you for not doing so. Milk and milk-based products can cause diarrhea and other digestive upset as well as set up food allergies (which often manifest as itchiness).

Macadamia Nuts

Dogs should not eat macadamia nuts or foods containing macadamia nuts because they can be fatal. As few as six raw or roasted macadamia nuts can make a dog ill. Symptoms of poisoning include muscle tremors, weakness or paralysis of the hindquarters, vomiting, elevated body temperature, and rapid heart rate. Eating chocolate with the nuts will make symptoms worse, possibly leading to death.

Candy and Gum

Candy, gum, toothpaste, baked goods, and some diet foods are sweetened with xylitol. Xylitol can cause an increase in the insulin circulating through your dog's body. That can cause your dog's blood sugar to drop and can also cause liver failure. Initial symptoms include vomiting, lethargy, and loss of coordination. Eventually, the dog may have seizures. Liver failure can occur within just a few days.


Most people know that chocolate is bad for dogs. The toxic agent in chocolate is theobromine. It's in all kinds of chocolate, even white chocolate. The most dangerous kinds, though, are dark chocolate, chocolate mulch, and unsweetened baking chocolate. Eating chocolate, even just licking the icing bowl, can cause a dog to vomit, have diarrhea, and be excessively thirsty. It can also cause abnormal heart rhythm, tremors, seizures, and death.

Fat Trimmings and Bones

Table scraps often contain meat fat that a human didn't eat and bones. Both are dangerous for dogs. Fat trimmed from meat, both cooked and uncooked, can cause pancreatitis in dogs. And, although it seems natural to give a dog a bone, a dog can choke on it. Bones can also splinter and cause an obstruction or lacerations of your dog's digestive system. It's best to just forget about the doggie bag.

Persimmons, Peaches, and Plums

The problem with these fruits is the seeds or pits. The seeds from persimmons can cause inflammation of the small intestine in dogs. They can also cause intestinal obstruction. Obstruction is also a possibility if a dog eats the pit from a peach or plum. Plus, peach and plum pits contain cyanide, which is poisonous to both humans and dogs. The difference is humans know not to eat them. Dogs don't.

Raw Eggs

There are two problems with giving your dog raw eggs. The first is the possibility of food poisoning from bacteria like Salmonella or E. coli. The second is that an enzyme in raw eggs interferes with the absorption of a particular B vitamin. This can cause skin problems as well as problems with your dog's coat if raw eggs are fed for a long time.

Raw Meat and Fish

Raw meat and raw fish, like raw eggs, can contain bacteria that causes food poisoning. In addition, certain kinds of fish such as salmon, trout, shad, or sturgeon can contain a parasite that causes "fish disease" or "salmon poisoning disease." If not treated, the disease can be fatal within two weeks. The first signs of illness are vomiting, fever, and big lymph nodes. Thoroughly cooking the fish will kill the parasite and protect your dog. If feeding raw meat, take precautions to prevent food poisoning.


It's not a good idea to share salty foods like chips or pretzels with your dog. Eating too much salt can cause excessive thirst and urination and lead to sodium ion poisoning. Symptoms of too much salt include vomiting, diarrhea, depression, tremors, elevated body temperature, and seizures. It may even cause death.

Sugary Foods and Drinks

Too much sugar can do the same thing to dogs that it does to humans. It can lead to obesity, dental problems, and possibly the onset of diabetes.

Yeast Dough

Before it's baked, bread dough needs to rise. And, that's exactly what it would do in your dog's stomach if your dog ate it. As it swells inside, the dough can stretch the dog's abdomen and cause severe pain. In addition, when the yeast ferments the dough to make it rise, it produces alcohol that can lead to alcohol poisoning.

Your Medicine

Reaction to a drug commonly prescribed for humans is the most common cause of poisoning in dogs. Just as you would do for your children, keep all medicines out of your dog's reach. And, never give your dog any over-the-counter medicine unless told to do so by your vet. Ingredients such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen are common in pain relievers and cold medicine. And, they can be deadly for your dog.

Kitchen Pantry: No Dogs Allowed

Many other items commonly found on kitchen shelves can harm your dog. For instance, baking powder and baking soda are both highly toxic. So are nutmeg and other spices. Keeping food items high enough to be out of your dog's reach and keeping pantry doors closed will help protect your dog from serious food-related illness.

What Dogs Can Eat

You can ensure your dog has a healthy, well-balanced diet by asking your vet to recommend a quality dog food. A well-designed dog food gives your pet all the nutrients it needs for an active and healthy life. But that doesn't mean you can't sometimes give your dog human food as a special treat -- as long as portions are limited, and the foods are cooked, pure, and not fatty or heavily seasoned. See the next few slides for some tasty suggestions. But if you're looking to human food as a meal replacement, talk to your vet about amounts and frequency

Safe: Some Fresh Fruits

Slices of apples, oranges, bananas, and watermelon make tasty treats for your dog. Be sure to remove any seeds first, though. Seeds, stems, and leaves can cause serious problems.

Safe: Some Vegetables

Your dog can have a healthy snack of carrot sticks, green beans, cucumber slices, or zucchini slices. Even a plain baked potato is OK. Be sure, though, not to let your dog eat any raw potatoes or any potato plants it might have access to in your garden.

Safe: Cooked White Rice and Pasta

Dogs may enjoy plain white rice or pasta after it's cooked. And, a serving of plain white rice with some boiled chicken can sometimes provide welcome relief from gastrointestinal upset.




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QUOTE 3/13/2012 12:21:44 AM

Also, on the market here there's a dog and cat milk. Occasionally I will give them some of this.

Good luck


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