| bswails1384 |
| Posted 7/5/2007 3:06:01 AM |
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Hello,
I'm new to the forum. I searched thru the archives and didn't see this topic covered.
I posted some Puppies for sale and have received interest from a few people in Canada and I am from Nebraska.
I'm wondering a number of things such as is it just coincidence that I am getting interest from Canada? Surely there are Golden Retrievers available in Canada. Is it legal and ethical to ship to Canada? If so wouldn't it be a hardship on the Puppies during the shipping process to Canada. If not how would one arrange to have them shipped? Is there special requirement to ship dogs across the border.
Also how could I be sure they are going to caring loving people?
Forgive my ignorance if these questions are out of line. Like I said I am new to the forums and am simply trying to help my wife place a litter of Puppies in loving caring homes. But I do not want to consider anything that would cause harm or a hardship to the pups. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 7/5/2007 11:20:16 AM |
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the simple answer is - reputable, responsible breeders do not ship & for the very reasons you have cited.
by meeting the buyers, being able to check vet references, doing home checks etc you certainly are doing everything possible to assure a good home.
shipping is very stressful on the puppy & tales abound of hours & hours of the puppy sitting on the tarmack waiting.
this time of year is extremely dangerous & most airlines won't ship animals.
by the airline industry's own stats, they loose 10,000 pieces of luggage a DAY - are those odds you would want to take?
now - get this Dog spayed & stop adding to the pet overpopulation problem. right now there are 2,689 goldens listed on petfinder needing homes. unfortunately most of them will end up being killed because there are no homes for them. and that is only ONE message board. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 7/5/2007 1:15:37 PM |
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Suebgone has absolutely no first and knowledge of a subject she continues to comment on and give incorrect information about.
There are no special requirements for shipping to Canada other than instead of having the health certificate with in 10 days of travel, it must be issued by a licensed vet with in 72 hours of the puppy ARRIVING in Canada.
It is not a big deal at all. The Puppies arrive no worse for wear and in 5 years I have NEVER had anything bad happen to a puppy. Not once.
The worst case scenario would be possible flight delays, but that is why the breeder is REQUIRED to send some of the puppy's food, water and bowls.
Ask your normal questions of the family, and if you don't feel comfortable, don't send the puppy. Or recommend that they fly in to pick up their puppy.
I have had lots of people fly in to the airport and pick up their puppy in person, but that is not always an option for every family.
Good luck! For the most part, despite what they pretend, this is a very anti- Dog breeder forum. Which is incredible since this website is fully funded by the Dog INDUSTRY.
I don't know how all these activists can stand typing on a site that gets thousands and thousands of dollers a day brokering Puppies from what they consider to be bad breeders.
That is the gist right?
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| bswails1384 |
| Posted 7/5/2007 2:26:58 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: Suebgone has absolutely no first and knowledge of a subject she continues to comment on and give incorrect information about.
There are no special requirements for shipping to Canada other than instead... |
Thanks beaglebrat,
While I am new to this forum I participate in other forums enough to know that there are many sides and opinions to every issue and I have thick enough skin to be able to handle any and all criticism. While some of suebgone's points are valid she/he does appear to take a somewhat extreme viewpoint so I consider that heavily when reading his/her posts.
My wife and I both agree that shipping the pups would be a last option and are actually working out most of the deals by meeting the buyers half way.
Thanks for your response.
Regards,
Brent |
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| RESCUEWENCH |
| Posted 7/5/2007 2:45:32 PM |
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Brent,
you are thanking a person that makes a living selling puppy's over the internet.
Brat- IS an internet seller of pups, hence she will tell you how safe & wonderful shipping is ( that is her bread & butter so to speak) - when in fact its NOT safe there are known hazards, and Its good you are open minded , but I was also VERY Impressed you are putting the well being OF your pups above monetary gain.
you truly sound as if you want to ensure the health & safety of your pups, I commend you for that .
THANK YOU FOR CARING! that is something we rarely see from many breeders.
Sue have many valid points I am glad you noticed. she also has seen more horrors that you would probably ever see in a life time, she has worked for decades saving animals.
She is passionate about the safety of all animals and like most of us that are involved in rescue - is passionate about the sheer amount of animals dying in shelters daily.
she gave you sound advice - which is what you asked for .
by checking on your pups potential new homes & using spay neuter contracts you CAN help the population problems, AND at the same time with a good contract you can insure non of the pups you sell end up in shelters to be gassed , or sold to research labs, or sold to puppy millers , brokers , or used as mini ATM machines chained to a tree having litter after litter till they die.
and BTW...
welcome to the board.
XRW
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 7/5/2007 4:25:14 PM |
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Brent- Some times my best homes have been on opposite ends of the US, like NY, TX, FL or CA.
Cute Puppies by the way. $350, and the parents are OFA'd?! That is why the Canadians are interested in them. That seems very reasonable.
Can I suggest, particularly with the ones you ship out of State that you microchip them. That way if they ever end up in a shelter you can rescue them. I hate the thought of my babies in a bad place.
XRW--Genius, if OP is NOT an ("evil") internet seller, than how do you think people from Canada found his Puppies.
I am sure you REALLY loved Sue's advice when she tells him to get his Dog spayed.
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| suebgone |
| Posted 7/5/2007 5:16:25 PM |
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brat - I don't believe it is necessary to contribitute to the overpopulation problem to be capable of reading!
there have been dozens of posts on this forum, often more than one at a time, from people who's new puppy came down with stress related parvo almost immediately after shipping. in most cases the Puppies die.
these were not cases that contracted it after arrival as they were only there a day or two before becoming ill.
it really isn't an anti breeder forum, just anti byb there is a huge difference. that has also been discussed on here ad nausem & I would think by now you would understand that.
Its just all a matter of what your standards are.
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| RESCUEWENCH |
| Posted 7/5/2007 6:08:39 PM |
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BRAT:
FYI; owner surrendered dogs in POUNDS & shelters are NOT scanned for chips - they are signed over and no longer owned by the owner.
they are either put up for adoption, killed or sold to research.
I have pulled dogs with chips in them that were registered to breeders.
ask med & vet students how many chipped animals they worked on in class.
again, you are talking about things YOU know Nothing about. ( Imagine that)
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| bswails1384 |
| Posted 7/5/2007 6:24:15 PM |
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Quote RESCUEWENCH: Brent,
you are thanking a person that makes a living selling puppy's over the internet.
Brat- IS an internet seller of pups, hence she will tell you how safe & wonderful shipping is (... |
Hi Rescuewench
I am an avid Dog lover. I have had dogs my entire life. They have always been spayed or neutered. We currently have four adult dogs, only the two Golden's have not been fixed. I'm not really in this for monetary gain nor do I desire to become a breeder. I have a full time job and don't need another.
My wife however has had this female Golden since it was a puppy and I suppose out of some maternal bond she felt it necessary to allow her to have a litter. I tried my best to discourage her, explaining how much work it is to do properly and how much time and attention Puppies require. She thought it would be a piece of cake to find them good homes. Somehow in the process of finding a good male to breed ours with we ended up rescuing him from a family that was getting a divorce and not giving him the attention and exercise he needed.
It is still a touchy subject between us; she now realizes that it is a lot of work and Puppies need attention 24/7. I make sure all of my dogs are happy and healthy and get regular exercise at the local lakes (the neighbors laugh when they see me load up my four adult dogs in the back of my Honda CRV). But it is a lot of work and as cute as GR Puppies are I really hope we do not have anymore. We currently keep the male and female separated and might try to find the male a good home or have him neutered. He is a big beautiful blond GR though and probably would be a good addition for a professional breeder.
Anyway I'll keep this short (maybe that is too late). These Puppies are at the age that they need families to bond with and to properly train them. This is something I can not do for them and my wife's efforts to find them goods homes locally has not been successful so I am trying to help her out while keeping the Puppies best interest in mind.
Hope I haven't bored everyone to death and hope I haven't offended anyone here.
Regards,
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| buddyn1 |
| Posted 7/6/2007 8:28:16 AM |
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well, I'm from Canada and I got my puupy from the states(shipped by plane) and he is just fine. When we got him that day he was just a bit tired and a litle stressed but after 1 hour or 2 he was energetic. I had a good experience some might of had bad ones but mine was good. Just thought I'd let you know that it can go both ways. Maybe if you decide to ship them, you can educate the buyers on the risks of shipping? food for though anyway. |
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| RESCUEWENCH |
| Posted 7/6/2007 9:46:14 AM |
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Brent,
OK i am confused.
i cant remember do you LIVE in Canada or not??
you have 4 adults now right? 2 altered 2 unaltered?
you want to place ONE adult ( the male?)
and you have pups? you also need to place ?
I know a very good rescue in Toronto- and if they are not near you they will know rescues that are.
IF you choose to place them yourself, PLEASE alter them before placing them.
please do NOT sell that male intact to breed more dogs.
I think what you aren't understanding is :
the male is a beautiful GR right? BUT is he titled? is he show quality and young enough a professional SHOW person / handler would like to take him on and title him? ( either work OR conformation?)
if he is NOT that "type" of a Dog - he is a "pet quality" - that simply means while beautiful - the Dog is not going to be a show Dog high ranking Dog , OR out working in the sport he was created to do winning trophy's etc.
face it you got him from people that was NOT showing the dog, the odds this Dog is show quality are slim.
neutering him is best - SPAYING the female is best please tell you wife about mammary & overarian cancer - the LONGER these dogs are intact the higher the risk-- of these cancers (even in the male- testicular )
if your wife REALLY loves her Dog I am sure the elevated risk of cancer and losing her dogs live - VS a simply spay is a no brainer.
sorry you were unable to convince her to not have the litter to begin with- that pushed the cancer risk up even greater.
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| RESCUEWENCH |
| Posted 7/6/2007 9:46:45 AM |
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like i mentioned above your pups you can sell- but please alter them first ( the payment will cover this expense) and have a contract of care - check out the homes you are selling them too.
( this will keep other people from breeding these pups- your are getting many hits from all over because your selling low and the back yard breeders want to buy these pups to use them as mini ATM machines. rest assured your pups pups will NOT be sold for 350.00 - and frankly we don't NEED anymore GR's on the planet - we are packed full of them and they are dying by the hundreds & thousands daily!)
OR i can hook you up with my friends in the Toronto Rescue- and if they are not close enough I am sure they know other rescues that are closer to you.
then you will rest at night knowing your pups are on there way to being fully vetted altered & to safe contracted forever homes.
let me know what you want to do .
or if you have any questions, comments etc.
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my brother & his family is seeking a rescued GR - FINALLY ( he mourned his last GR for almost 4 years now- she was 14 when she passed on) if i could afford it i would buy on from you for my brother who will be here visiting in august.. as i am terrified he will screw up and go to teh wrong rescue or (worse) a byb- not knowing the difference. I begged him to let me help him as he live sin south FLA - and i am in Michigan .
but - as it is i am closing the rescue here and cannot afford to buy my brother & his family one of your lovely pups. I wish i could. My brother & his family can pass ANY rescue application, and are wonderful pet owners... ( and would alter the pup immediately)
oh well.
if you need any help advise on placing your pups - or helping you locate low cost spay neuter clinics
my E mail is AWARescue@aol.com
put "Goldens" in the subject line.
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| RESCUEWENCH |
| Posted 7/6/2007 1:54:54 PM |
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BTw how did brat see your pups? i didn't see a link to them on your post?
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| skmiddleton1 |
| Posted 3/21/2008 12:54:52 PM |
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I just came here looking for tips on who to use to ship a Dog to Canada. I show dogs, and occasionally have a litter of registered Skye terriers. I don't consider 3 litters in 10 years to be excessive and I sure am not making my living at this. I have a beautiful show quality Skye girl who is going to live with the president of the Skye terrier association in Canada. This is a woman I know and have known for several years. I consider both myself and Sheila to be responsible pet owners and breeders. I know I have to have a travel permit and the bitch needs to be microchipped. That is just common sense, not to mention required. However, I need to know what carriers ship to Sasketchewan. When I tried to run a search, this site popped up. I just had to post to say not everyone sending a puppy to Canada is out to get rich quick or irresponsible. I resent the comment, and just had to state so. It is irresponsible to even indicate that a person would be less than a responsible pet owner to consider shipping a puppy (and mine is 9 months old, hence, we know she is show quality) to Canaca.
And, not all dogs should be neutered or spayed. If they are, in short order, we won't have any more dogs, folks. They will all die out when they are all spayed or neutered. |
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| Rootie |
| Posted 3/21/2008 3:37:00 PM |
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I want to tell you about an experience we had with the airlines (Canadian)..my son came home from Ontario for a holiday to NFLD...he brought his ferret with him...he could not get her on the smae return flight so we took her on the day she was to fly out...she left our airport on time and was to have a 3 and 1/2 hour flight...26, yup,twenty six hours later she arrived at her destination..she had flown twice across the country before the SPCA could track her down and get her home...thankfully my son had called on them to help and they made sure that after they ahd her located that she was taken off the flight and fresh food,water and bedding was given to her...I'm only telling you this because it could easily have been a puppy...26 hours is a LONG time. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 3/21/2008 10:41:08 PM |
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 here you all are again...bashing everyone and everything...shipping is perfectly safe and perfectly ok...it really is quite simple.. veterinarians put their stamp on approval on the health certificates for shipping and the airlines are good...and guess what, they have phones in canada, and you can actually get veterinary references there..contenintal airlines and northwest have no tarmac time...period..and no temperature restrictions due to their methods of shipping...delta does have a temperature restriction however an acclimation statement from your vet is what you will need...you will have no problems...go figure that some people have the nerve to do home visits to place a puppy...is this not pushing things a bit too far..i would go so far as saying major overkill...****...did anyone ever visit your home because you have a child?? did you need a license for that?? do you not know you have commited one of the worse crimes on earth...having a litter of Puppies is right up there with murder!! im sorry...this is gotten completely ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/21/2008 11:00:27 PM |
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| Quote moggie: here you all are again...bashing everyone and everything...shipping is perfectly safe and perfectly ok...it really is quite simple.. veterinarians put their stamp on approval on the health certificates... |
A few on this thread aren't around anymore and although I do agree with some of what you say others have raised interesting points too. When RW said surrendered dogs who come into shelters or rescues don't have thier micro chips read, then if that is true which I could believe, Beagle stating she takes all her dogs back and knows where they all are isn't a convincing argument. I just think there are way too many people breeding irresponsibly! |
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