| devilsbabigurrl |
| Posted 7/28/2005 7:32:05 PM |
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If what you're saying is right, then I was wrong about that. Because I haven't seen those posts. I don't agree on feeding your pet by product Dog food, but I certainly don't agree on your "method" of informing people about Dog junk food. And when people criticize you, I find that it's because you started the argument. |
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| Kashmir |
| Posted 7/28/2005 7:52:11 PM |
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Kayzhond,nobody should be attacking you for your choice in holistic Dog food.I myself was simply defending a Dog food that is great for my puppy.I know a few people on here and people I know including my breeder who has fed her dogs Diamond for years,her Puppies to her senior pets.They have no internal health problems or any other issues.Everytime someone posts a food thread people are immediatly attacked if they don't agree on what the dogs should or shouldn't eat.I'm not trying to single anyone out.
You cannot compare all "junk" brands to fast food or junk food eaten by humans.If a human eats only junk they will become overweight,have high cholesteral,etc.I know many people that use a variety of these Dog foods and their dogs are healthy inside and out,no weight issues or any other.I have personally never fed Nutro or Science Diet, but I have tried some of the so called higher end Dog foods and have had problems with those.It all depends on the dog,their taste,their digestive tract,etc.
I think it's great to tell others what you are using and your results with it.I just don't agree with attacking another food that people have great results with because you personally don't use it. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/28/2005 8:54:36 PM |
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| Quote devilsbabigurrl: If what you're saying is right, then I was wrong about that. Because I haven't seen those posts. I don't agree on feeding your pet by product Dog food, but I certainly don't agree on your "method" of informing... |
7th post down, focusonme, and I quote, "just because we don't feed the holistic crud" http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/forum/18....
What is MOST upsetting about it being called "holistic crud" is the fact the statementw as made WITHOUT even an attempt to open their eyes and educate themselves about holistic foods. Everyone, me included, who called low and middle quality pet food "junk" food does so because we opened our eyes and educated ourselves about the reality of the ingredients in those foods. Therefore, when we say "junk" food it wasn't said just to be said in an attempt to justify ourselves in feeding holistic foods. When they call it "holistic crud" it's being called that just to say it in an attempt to justiy themselves in feeding commercial food WITHOUT even having educated themselves as to why holistic foods are really better than what they're currently feeding their pet(s) and that, IMHO, isn't right. If you're going to use "holistic crud" then have at least done the research on it to prove the rest of us wrong. N'est pas?
And what exactly is the right "method" of informing people? I didn't realize there were right and wrong methods to this. I take my methods on informing others from many other folks who are feeding holistic foods and use it at other Dog forums. So, I don't see how my method is necessarily wrong when plenty of other people are using it elsewhere too. the only diference is this method is more receptive and welcomed elsewhere than it is here. Like AnAsAzi said (http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/forum/18...), "have never found so much ignorance on any forum such as this one.. Those that do not wish to take the advice given, thats fine, but you could actually learn something if you would read the website that I posted... you would better understand what is in the Dog food your feeding to your dog(s)." |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/28/2005 9:00:14 PM |
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"You cannot compare all "junk" brands to fast food or junk food eaten by humans." -Kashmir
Yes, I can and will. You're NOT the first one to tell me I can't. FantasiaWHT was the firrst and my response to this was:
Actually, it is accurate to comapare the two. A Hershey's candy bar is called "junk" food because there's NOTHING nutritious in it. Well, there's NOTHING nutritious either in low and quality pet foods either. Hence, like a Hershey bar - it's "junk" food.
"I have personally never fed Nutro or Science Diet, but I have tried some of the so called higher end Dog foods and have had problems with those." -Kashmir
There's the issue I have. You said some. There's a little over two dozen holistic foods, high and low enders, to choose form (see: http://keestalk.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~290.asp for a complete list with links to manufacturer websites). Basing your opinion of some isn't fair depending on what number out of two dozen actually constitutes 'some'. Perhaps if you had tried 20 of the 28 then perhaps I'd be speaking differently now. But, if it's under 10 then you haven't even begun to see what's out there holistic wise. |
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| FantasiaWHT |
| Posted 7/29/2005 8:51:20 AM |
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Kaz, there's two problems with your arguments.
1) Junk/fast food is NOT a good analogy for low-grade Dog food. Here's another reason why. If a human ate NOTHING but junk/fast food, they would rapidly get fat, they would shortly start to suffer serious health problem, and they would die a VERY premature death of massive heart failure. Most dogs that eat just low-grade Dog food do not, en masse, show tons of major health problems, and they mostly live full, healthy, and happy lives. If dogs were showing the problems you describe in such large numbers, then people wouldn't be feeding their dogs that food. There would be major reports on the problem in the news, the papers, and from your vets (most of whom that I've talked to will recommend Purina One, Beneful, Iams, and others) not just from holistic food advocates.
2) Some of the ingredients you cite ARE, frankly, quite disgusting when you think about them. But while they may be low-quality, they are not necessarily dangerous IN THE AMOUNTS THEY ARE PRESENT in the food! Honestly, I could make the same arguments about how breathing the air is killing us because there's DEADLY POISONS in the atmosphere, like cyanide and arsenic gases!!!! Well there is, that's true, but to misquote an old (and wrong) adage "The solution to pollution IS dilution". You do realize that a lot of these admittedly disgusting ingredients are part of the generic, protein & fat rich "animal feed" that is fed to animals such as cows, pigs, and chickens, which WE EAT OURSELVES? And, to be frank, which also get turned into holistic pet food?
Again, I think it is better to feed your pets a higher grade of Dog food, but I disagree that feeding them a lower quality is going to be as severe of a detriment to their health as you believe.
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| devilsbabigurrl |
| Posted 7/29/2005 9:15:04 AM |
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And what i mean your method of informing people is wrong is because YOU KEEP ON ATTACKING people when they say they feed their Dog this or that. People don't take lightly in offense. And maybe we're ignorant people who don't "learn" that these foods are not the best, but I find YOU ignorant because you don't understand that people have their own preferences and you attack them every chance you get, trying to get them to change when there is absolutely nothing wrong with the food that they're feeding their pets! Sure one of two people might agree on how you're informing people and blah blah blah, but most people on here don't find anything wrong with their pets after feeding them foods with by products. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/29/2005 9:21:31 AM |
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"If a human ate NOTHING but junk/fast food, they would rapidly get fat..." -FantasiaWHT
Most dogs that eat just low-grade Dog food do not, en masse, show tons of major health problems..." -FantasiaWHT
Number one, you don't have to show tons of major health problems to have them.
And number two, not necessarily so. In my younger days I admit to eating a lot of junk food because I had friends that did but I never got fat in the process. Junk foods are usually sweet and fattening, but that's NOT always the case.
Wolf, my middle-aged Kees, was rescued from neighbors who are no longer here. They got a divorce and I took the dogs. I kept Wolf and took the other two to a local no-kill shelter.
Wolf was skinny when I got him. They used to feed the dogs an icky mushy bird seed slop twice a day, once in the morning hours and again in the evening hours.
When Wold came to me he FIANLLY started eating better tho he was being fed middle quality food, i.e. Science Diet and Iams to be exact. Wolf has gone from skinny to obese in the 6 years we've had him and I'm blaming that on the fillers in Science Diet and Iams. I really wish I had learned about holistic food longe before this.
"Some of the ingredients you cite ARE, frankly, quite disgusting when you think about them. But while they may be low-quality, they are not necessarily dangerous IN THE AMOUNTS THEY ARE PRESENT in the food!" -FantasiaWHT
True, but it builds up over time and accumulates and lingers in their system due to the fact they can't digest the low and middle quality foods very well. When you switch to a holistic food for 6 to 8 weeks the body is going through a "cleansing" process and the holistic food cleans the colon of all the crud that built up in the systems over time from the low and middle quality food they've been fed which is wy, in that time, their stools are a little loose (not runny) and tend to have certain things in them, like string (see: http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/forum/18..., 1st post, 5th paragraph down). |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/29/2005 9:24:05 AM |
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"And what i mean your method of informing people is wrong is because YOU KEEP ON ATTACKING people when they say they feed their Dog this or that." -devilsbabigurrl
I know WHAT attacking is. It's NOT attacking. It's called countering what they say with a fact.
If I was attacking them I'd be flat out rude, resorting to name calling, probably cussing too. That's attacking. |
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| DIGGERkristin |
| Posted 7/29/2005 9:36:38 AM |
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Quote devilsbabigurrl: Here we go again. My next lecture:
I respect what you're saying, Kayzhond, but I ALSO respect the other Dog owners. I don't feed my Chazzy any Dog food with by-products, i feed him holistic foods, but... |
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| Wando2000 |
| Posted 8/3/2005 4:23:12 AM |
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Back to the subject at hand...
I've got a 7yo Australian Shepherd/Border Collie mix, and he's currently on California Natural. He's on the Chicken Meal & Rice formula, but I think I'm going to switch him to Lamb Meal & Rice since he's been pretty itchy (I think he's got allergies to something in the chicken formula, since he got itchy on the chicken formula of another food some time ago). Aside from the itchiness, he's soooooo soft and shiny and his poops are nice and small (eventually drying out and crumbling) and non-smelly (well, they smell like poop, but not the atrocious, steel-melting smell he had when he was on Sensible Choice. Ugh, I wish I could burn that memory out of my brain). He's only been on that food for a month, and there's still at least another month and a half's worth left in the bag (which is weird, since it's a 20 pound bag and the 20 pound bag of the other food I'd fed was gone in almost 2 months) |
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| Hobby21602 |
| Posted 8/5/2005 10:53:00 AM |
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I feed my Dog Royal Canin and I get it from petsmart I have a Shiba Inu |
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| Hobby21602 |
| Posted 8/5/2005 11:52:29 AM |
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Quote maoseger1010: I'm wondering what people feed their dogs and were they buy it.
If you wouldn't mind telling what kind of food you feed and what kind of Dog you have purebred or mutt it doesn't matter.
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It's ok to give dogs scrabbled eggs once in awhile???? I gave my pup broccoli last night is that ok?? |
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| Wando2000 |
| Posted 8/5/2005 6:07:19 PM |
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| Quote Hobby21602: It's ok to give dogs scrabbled eggs once in awhile???? I gave my pup broccoli last night is that ok?? |
It's okay to give eggs, and it's okay to give vegetables and fruit (but not too much or they'll get the runs, and you have to avoid the dangerous ones, like grapes because they're toxic to dogs). Lots of people give their dogs raw eggs, shell included. I do that occationally, but Jake makes a mess and it's hard picking up crushed eggshell out of the carpet, lol. dogs in the wild have to eat food that's been sitting around for a while (like the remains of a carcass that was discarded by another pack of wolves), so they can handle bacteria well enough. So they won't get sick from the eggs.
Eggs is a great way to get a coat shiny, though I don't think it matters if the egg is cooked or not. Whatever you prefer, I guess. |
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| Hobby21602 |
| Posted 8/6/2005 1:38:54 PM |
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| Quote Wando2000: It's okay to give eggs, and it's okay to give vegetables and fruit (but not too much or they'll get the runs, and you have to avoid the dangerous ones, like grapes because they're toxic to dogs). Lots... |
Thanx I will have to try that I have had him 6 months and he has only gotten that one veggie and that was the other day LOL |
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| alaskanhuskieangel10 |
| Posted 8/10/2005 6:06:30 PM |
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| Quote Kayzhond: For the record, I use Solid Gold. |
 i get mine at walmart.  my Dog is a german sheapard mixed with a black lab. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 8/10/2005 8:00:28 PM |
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| Quote alaskanhuskieangel10: i get mine at walmart. my Dog is a german sheapard mixed with a black lab. |
And what does that have to do with the fact that I use Solid Gold?  |
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| pennymybaby |
| Posted 8/10/2005 9:01:04 PM |
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I feed my Miniature Pinscher Nutro Natural Choice Lamb Meal and Rice Small Bites. But I'm switching to Natural Balance, after her Nutro is done. |
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| tiggerlove |
| Posted 8/23/2005 9:13:10 PM |
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I have a 12 wk old yorkie and i feed him Nutro Natural Choice, in lamb and rice. I pick it up from my Local Pet retailer. It has no by products and you don't have to buy it from your vet. |
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| tiggerlove |
| Posted 8/23/2005 9:15:37 PM |
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Quote Kayzhond: Beneful by Purina is "junk" food.
The main ingredients are ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal. Do you know what chicken by-product is?
According to the AAFCO, it consists... |
I understand that you think every Dog food out there is Junk food except for the Dog food you feed yours but you could respect other peoples opionions. they feed their Dog what works for them, even if in your eyes its junk, its what they are comfortable feeding their dog, and did you ever consider that not only is it what works for them but also that it might have been perscribed by a vet for a particular reason unknown to the rest of us? it would be nice if you could just let people share their opioninon without getting defensive and without pushing your Dog food on the others. its nice that you believe in your Dog food soo much but the rest of don't have to necessarily agree with you and that it's the "best." |
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| ShepherdMix |
| Posted 9/3/2005 1:52:48 PM |
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Thank you. |
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