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foxfire_ga79
7/24/2006 11:36:44 AM
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Quote micdobe:
Schutzhund is not hard core working, or working at all. Schutzhund is a sport, a highly stylized sport.
I just read an article by Otmar Vogel saying that he once put a SchII on a Rough Collie.
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 11:37:48 AM
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no i did NOT miss your point.
the point is you know VERY little except what you read about schutzhund.
and you obviously didnt read what ed had to say on the subject of" other" breeds in comptition
nor did you read the history and the reason WHY the sport began.
read this sch champions from 1981-2006..
odd not ONE collie or lab or poodle..
in fact not one doberman either.
imagine that.
http://www.dvgamerica.com/index.html
and as far as your dobies
this is an interesting link-
http://www.diamantenero.it/newIntervistaIng.htm
dont see an am show line in any of there breeding at all. huumm
and you spelt his name wrong its
OTTMAR
and yes i am well aware of who is is/was.
i dont know if he is still alive tho.
ps the lady that started the orlando sch club started with her Great dane, and titled him also to schhIII.
that is NOT unusual.
the thing is - just because a dog can SCORE - and even title doesnt make it HAVE the ability to actually have what it takes to face this in REAL life not on a feild.
how many K9's ( cops ) withdog have breeds OTHER than gsds, mals, rotts, dobies, & a few ( i only know of ONE in the usa standard schnu?)
i dont see too may nr do i see ANY cops walking around with collie labs or corgis as their police K9 dogs .
decters maybe - narc s cadaver dogs sure .
BUT NOT defence dogs .
RW
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 11:39:41 AM
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Quote foxfire_ga79:
Sounds like "sour grapes" if you ask me.
What's the problem, a Collie can get it but your Dobe can't??  
SPEW ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!! FOX!!! why do you KEEP MAKING me SPEW!! - i am GONNA need a new keyboard if you dont WARN me first ..
LMAO your too kweeeelll lady.
:)
RW
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micdobe
7/24/2006 11:44:50 AM
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There is no reason that there would be American Dobermans mentioned in their interveiw. I have read the interview already.
If there are NO Doberman champions in schutzhund at all, then I guess the "real working European Dobermanns" couldn't cut it either.
Regardless many Dobermans can and have earned schutzhund titles. None of which was my point. If you did "get" my point you certainly haven't shown it, even after I spelled it out for you.
In the opionion of Otmar Vogel the Doberman in Germany in 1960's was in a sad shape, that was the time frame in which he titled the collie as well as several other dogs. That was why he created the modern Doberman ztp.
That time frame seems to include the time of your family's imported Dobermans, whose names you can't remember.
How old were you when you trialed Thor to a SchIII?
Was it DVG trials, NASA trials, USA trials, or some other club?
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foxfire_ga79
7/24/2006 11:52:45 AM
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Quote rescuewench:
SPEW ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!! FOX!!! why do you KEEP MAKING me SPEW!! - i am GONNA need a new keyboard if you dont WARN me first ..
LMAO your too kweeeelll lady.
:)
RW
Have you not noticed that no matter what anybody says, they come up with an excuse for why it's not legitimate?
You don't DO it at the moment so the research and close mentoring you're doing don't count.
DobieGurl313 is young, so she OBVIOUSLY doesn't know anything.
Now, all of a sudden, I'm just jealous of dogs who win AKC shows and I'm too bitter to enter my dogs because I'm afraid mine won't win. 
If there's anything in this life I DO have, it's enough money. Not stinking rich, but I've got plenty. I guarentee if I hire one of those top notch handlers my dogs would start taking points immediatly. But since I choose not to play that game, I'm JEALOUS and BITTER. LMFAO!
Oh, and as for having a magical therapy dog....My old Spuds used to do that too. It's not like you need a certification. I used to take her to nursing homes and schools and she really brightened people's day.
I've got a friend who's a firefighter in NE Tn and he has a Saint Bernard with no professional training or certifications who goes to schools 2 or 3 times a month for fire safety presentations for the kids.
Dogs who go for those little "visits" with people are not hard to come by and it's nothing amazing about the dogs who do that work. Now, if your dog could lead the blind, or was trained to detect and warn a person of an imminent seizure, THAT'S a special dog. But bragging about going to the library is a bit of an under-achievment.
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 11:55:25 AM
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 11:59:27 AM
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Quote foxfire_ga79:
Have you not noticed that no matter what anybody says, they come up with an excuse for why it's not legitimate?
You don't DO it at the moment so the research and close mentoring you're doing don't count.
DobieGurl313 is young, so she OBVIOUSLY doesn't know anything.
Now, all of a sudden, I'm just jealous of dogs who win AKC shows and I'm too bitter to enter my dogs because I'm afraid mine won't win. 
If there's anything in this life I DO have, it's enough money. Not stinking rich, but I've got plenty. I guarentee if I hire one of those top notch handlers my dogs would start taking points immediatly. But since I choose not to play that game, I'm JEALOUS and BITTER. LMFAO!
Oh, and as for having a magical therapy dog....My old Spuds used to do that too. It's not like you need a certification. I used to take her to nursing homes and schools and she really brightened people's day.
I've got a friend who's a firefighter in NE Tn and he has a Saint Bernard with no professional training or certifications who goes to schools 2 or 3 times a month for fire safety presentations for the kids.
Dogs who go for those little "visits" with people are not hard to come by and it's nothing amazing about the dogs who do that work. Now, if your dog could lead the blind, or was trained to detect and warn a person of an imminent seizure, THAT'S a special dog. But bragging about going to the library is a bit of an under-achievment.
yes fox i have noticed.
LOL_ e mail me and i will fill you in onthe lil test that i set V & mic dobe up to and they BOTH failed miserably.
trust me you will REALLY enjoy it.
:)
if you dont have my email - e mail dobiegurl i will tell her its ok to give it to you.:)
if you find it here somewhere - tell me something so i KNOW its you- you & i know things about us form when we met ... that ONLY we know.
i know you get my drift .:)
this will make you SPEW - so DO not be drinking when you read it.
:)
i have to get the dogs out - RIO is barking her fool head off again.
cya later! :)
RW
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 12:02:46 PM
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Quote foxfire_ga79:
Have you not noticed that no matter what anybody says, they come up with an excuse for why it's not legitimate?
You don't DO it at the moment so the research and close mentoring you're doing don't count.
DobieGurl313 is young, so she OBVIOUSLY doesn't know anything.
Now, all of a sudden, I'm just jealous of dogs who win AKC shows and I'm too bitter to enter my dogs because I'm afraid mine won't win. 
If there's anything in this life I DO have, it's enough money. Not stinking rich, but I've got plenty. I guarentee if I hire one of those top notch handlers my dogs would start taking points immediatly. But since I choose not to play that game, I'm JEALOUS and BITTER. LMFAO!
Oh, and as for having a magical therapy dog....My old Spuds used to do that too. It's not like you need a certification. I used to take her to nursing homes and schools and she really brightened people's day.
I've got a friend who's a firefighter in NE Tn and he has a Saint Bernard with no professional training or certifications who goes to schools 2 or 3 times a month for fire safety presentations for the kids.
Dogs who go for those little "visits" with people are not hard to come by and it's nothing amazing about the dogs who do that work. Now, if your dog could lead the blind, or was trained to detect and warn a person of an imminent seizure, THAT'S a special dog. But bragging about going to the library is a bit of an under-achievment.
oh yes also agree about the therapy dogs we have rescue dogs getting CGC's and getting certified therapy dog certif's all the time.
and these were homeless, sometimes abused, poorly bred byb mutts - and they do it all thetime. :)
and i think your spuds was cool!
:) ps i JUSt got a new foster,she was telling me she had a PYR..
( oh no - can i call it a PYYR?? will i be a "stupid person for that"???YIKES)
anyhoo..
he crossed tehbridge 3 months ago, and she is LONELY so she is gonna foster for me now.
is that not sweet?
:) RW
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micdobe
7/24/2006 12:06:10 PM
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Iit seems unusual that someone who was breeding dogs 40 years ago is still doing so.
I have no interest in tracking you or your father down.
What I do have an interest in is the misinformation about Dobermans you post. I don't believe you had imported Dobermans as a child, nor that you as a child handled them to schutzhund titles. You refuse to say anything specific enough to even show that you did those things, which is the classic behavior of someone who is making it up as they go.
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foxfire_ga79
7/24/2006 12:08:33 PM
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Quote rescuewench:
yes fox i have noticed.
LOL_ e mail me and i will fill you in onthe lil test that i set V & mic dobe up to and they BOTH failed miserably.
trust me you will REALLY enjoy it.
:)
if you dont have my email - e mail dobiegurl i will tell her its ok to give it to you.:)
if you find it here somewhere - tell me something so i KNOW its you- you & i know things about us form when we met ... that ONLY we know.
i know you get my drift .:)
this will make you SPEW - so DO not be drinking when you read it.
:)
i have to get the dogs out - RIO is barking her fool head off again.
cya later! :)
RW
Well, you can e-mail me at foxfire_ga79@yahoo.com I'm just not scared of stalkers. lmao
I'll probably fail the test too. lol
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 12:09:29 PM
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Quote micdobe:
Iit seems unusual that someone who was breeding dogs 40 years ago is still doing so.
I have no interest in tracking you or your father down.
What I do have an interest in is the misinformation about Dobermans you post. I don't believe you had imported Dobermans as a child, nor that you as a child handled them to schutzhund titles. You refuse to say anything specific enough to even show that you did those things, which is the classic behavior of someone who is making it up as they go.
think what ever you want.
its a free country.
and yes many of the breeders my dad knew then are still at it- and some have had their younger sons & daughters take over.
many are STILL very much traceable.
you will NOT get any info from me at all.
BLAH.
deal with it. I do NOT care if you believe me- or not. yuo are NOT important to me at all.
neither is your armchair expertise.(coughs)
RW
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 12:10:28 PM
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Quote foxfire_ga79:
Well, you can e-mail me at foxfire_ga79@yahoo.com I'm just not scared of stalkers. lmao
I'll probably fail the test too. lol
LOL you wont get the test you will see what i did & the experts failed the test. :)
i will e mail you :)
RW
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foxfire_ga79
7/24/2006 12:11:52 PM
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Quote rescuewench:
oh yes also agree about the therapy dogs we have rescue dogs getting CGC's and getting certified therapy dog certif's all the time.
and these were homeless, sometimes abused, poorly bred byb mutts - and they do it all thetime. :)
and i think your spuds was cool!
:) ps i JUSt got a new foster,she was telling me she had a PYR..
( oh no - can i call it a PYYR?? will i be a "stupid person for that"???YIKES)
anyhoo..
he crossed tehbridge 3 months ago, and she is LONELY so she is gonna foster for me now.
is that not sweet?
:) RW
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foxfire_ga79
7/24/2006 12:13:18 PM
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Quote rescuewench:
LOL you wont get the test you will see what i did & the experts failed the test. :)
i will e mail you :)
RW
Yea but I'd like to take the test anyway before you give me the answers. I want to see how close "guesses" compare to the other answers.
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rescuewench
7/24/2006 1:35:15 PM
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Quote foxfire_ga79:
Yea but I'd like to take the test anyway before you give me the answers. I want to see how close "guesses" compare to the other answers.
too late i already sent you the answers!! :)~~ enjoy!!
RW
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