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funnybunny
7/18/2006 3:27:30 PM
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Don't be sorry, I was just confused. Sorry if I upset you, I had just honestly never heard that before. Just because I was thinking about owning 3 dogs at some point, and when you said that I got nervous. That's all.
I owned 5 dogs at one point, and they never showed any type of bad behavior. Now I own 3, and they are all perfectly well behaved, and I would NEVER worry about them attacking me. Mattress is a large dog, and just her appearance does scare some people for what reason I don't know, but I know she is loyal to me, and would never do such a thing. Even as a puppy, she didn't nip me once. It's just her way. The same with my other dogs. I had 3 big dogs at one point, one APBT, one Collie, and Mattress. The APBT got loose and ran off never to be seen or heard from again unfortunately, and our Collie passed away a few months back. They never posed any problem. Sure, maybe they considered themself a pack, but they were in no way a feral pack, nor did they show aggression when they were in a group, feeling stronger than they would if they were by themselves. A pack of dogs attacking someone in normal household circumstances is extremely rare, and something you shouldn't worry about. Any dog is liable to bite, some out of fear, some out of aggression, and some out of protectiveness. I understand that one of my dogs could bite me at any given time, but I trust them not to, they trust me, and have been trained properly. If they were defending me or protecting me from harm, then yes I would expect them to bite such as if I were being attacked, but those circumstances are even rare around here. You can own 3 dogs, big or small, without having the fear that they will attack and kill you or another person because they will consider themselves a pack. I would consider a group of animals living with a person with the proper socialization and training a family rather than a "pack". If you want to own 3 dogs, by all means, own them if you can care for and train all of them properly. You shouldn't worry for a second that your animals would do that, unless at some point they displayed dominance behavior, in which case, it needs to be dealt with accordingly...firm training with an experienced trainer. This woman had a lot of dogs, who knows what provoked them to attack and kill her. These animals are naturally VERY dominant, and there are a number of possibilities. The proper precautions weren't taken when owning these animals, dominance aggression, pack behavior, etc.
http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_364140551.html
Not that anyone should worry about their Chihuahua's doing the same, but I found it funny when it says "angry Chihuahuas"
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doggypassion
7/18/2006 5:09:29 PM
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I owned 5 dogs at one point, and they never showed any type of bad behavior. Now I own 3, and they are all perfectly well behaved, and I would NEVER worry about them attacking me. Mattress is a large dog, and just her appearance does scare some people for what reason I don't know, but I know she is loyal to me, and would never do such a thing. Even as a puppy, she didn't nip me once. It's just her way. The same with my other dogs. I had 3 big dogs at one point, one APBT, one Collie, and Mattress. The APBT got loose and ran off never to be seen or heard from again unfortunately, and our Collie passed away a few months back. They never posed any problem. Sure, maybe they considered themself a pack, but they were in no way a feral pack, nor did they show aggression when they were in a group, feeling stronger than they would if they were by themselves. A pack of dogs attacking someone in normal household circumstances is extremely rare, and something you shouldn't worry about. Any dog is liable to bite, some out of fear, some out of aggression, and some out of protectiveness. I understand that one of my dogs could bite me at any given time, but I trust them not to, they trust me, and have been trained properly. If they were defending me or protecting me from harm, then yes I would expect them to bite such as if I were being attacked, but those circumstances are even rare around here. You can own 3 dogs, big or small, without having the fear that they will attack and kill you or another person because they will consider themselves a pack. I would consider a group of animals living with a person with the proper socialization and training a family rather than a "pack". If you want to own 3 dogs, by all means, own them if you can care for and train all of them properly. You shouldn't worry for a second that your animals would do that, unless at some point they displayed dominance behavior, in which case, it needs to be dealt with accordingly...firm training with an experienced trainer. This woman had a lot of dogs, who knows what provoked them to attack and kill her. These animals are naturally VERY dominant, and there are a number of possibilities. The proper precautions weren't taken when owning these animals, dominance aggression, pack behavior, etc.
http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_364140551.html
Not that anyone should worry about their Chihuahua's doing the same, but I found it funny when it says "angry Chihuahuas"
Okay, thank you. That made me feel loads better.
And when I say I wanted to own three dogs at a time, I meant if my life-style suited it and I could afford to take care of them.
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7/18/2006 6:48:25 PM
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DoggyPassion: Yes what I said was not ment to scare you. The chance of that happening with your own dogs that I'm sure you love and take good care of is very very slim and I'm sure nothing you'd have to worry about, so long as you don't go out and get a trio of dogs that have serious aggression/dominance issues, lol.
A man interviewed over this wolf hybrid thing I think helped shed some light as to why this might have happened.
1.) It was a very hot summer day, the dogs were probably uncomfortable and on edge.
2.) It was breeding season (or at least so the guy said?)
3.) Their was pups around, whenever conditions are harder and all dogs are on edge, triple that when it envolves their puppies too.
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7/18/2006 6:55:49 PM
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The animal control said the woman had been warned about these dog/wolves.They also said there were signs she had become fearful of these dogs.She didnot go into the pen to water them(they had dirty water) there were animal bones all in the pen(she fed them road kills).On the day of the attack she was feeding the adults,she only went to the gate to feed.They showed the gate and the wheel barrel of food all over.They also said she was a breeder and either sold the pups or gave them away.The animal conrtol URGED anyone with a dog from her to call them ASAP.The didn't say anything about what will happen to the pups that she had.All the adults were killed.OH and AC also stated the daughter wouldn't go to the home because she was afraid of these dogs,they also said they had attacked 2yrs ago but didn't say what the outcome was to that attack.
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funnybunny
7/18/2006 11:30:57 PM
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The animal control said the woman had been warned about these dog/wolves.They also said there were signs she had become fearful of these dogs.She didnot go into the pen to water them(they had dirty water) there were animal bones all in the pen(she fed them road kills).On the day of the attack she was feeding the adults,she only went to the gate to feed.They showed the gate and the wheel barrel of food all over.They also said she was a breeder and either sold the pups or gave them away.The animal conrtol URGED anyone with a dog from her to call them ASAP.The didn't say anything about what will happen to the pups that she had.All the adults were killed.OH and AC also stated the daughter wouldn't go to the home because she was afraid of these dogs,they also said they had attacked 2yrs ago but didn't say what the outcome was to that attack.
It sounds like it was good old fashioned ignorance and negligence. These dogs should have been in the care of an experienced owner, that could care for them properly.
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7/19/2006 9:34:14 AM
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It sounds like it was good old fashioned ignorance and negligence. These dogs should have been in the care of an experienced owner, that could care for them properly.
MOST of us regular people can't properly care for wild animals. Just because we know our dogs, we don't know wolves. I always thought it would be cool to have one, but it takes someone REALLY special to keep those guys.
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7/19/2006 9:57:51 AM
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It sounds like it was good old fashioned ignorance and negligence. These dogs should have been in the care of an experienced owner, that could care for them properly.
"These dogs should have beeen..."
There in lays the rub, these animals are not "dogs" they are Wolves. Just mixing a dog with a wolf does not dulute the wolf enough to make the offspring "dogs". Which is where this person and many other make their mistake. Saddly it cost this person her life.
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7/19/2006 10:05:44 AM
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"These dogs should have beeen..."
There in lays the rub, these animals are not "dogs" they are Wolves. Just mixing a dog with a wolf does not dulute the wolf enough to make the offspring "dogs". Which is where this person and many other make their mistake. Saddly it cost this person her life.
It's so tragic too.  They are beautiful, majestic. I love wolves.
But they can only be trained to tolerate us and get along. And it's only training.
For wolves, it's not an instinct OR a desire to have human companionship. And mixing with dogs give the Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde effect. The dog part wants to be good, but the wolf part, althought not being mean on purpose, just doesn't understand being domesticated.
Those wolves weren't MEAN. They were just being the only animals they know how to be.
It's a crying shame a woman had to lose her life in this manner. I'm sure that she was so awstruck and in love with wolves that she wanted to be able to bring them closer to our lives. That's really not a fault, just a weakness. 
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funnybunny
7/19/2006 1:26:26 PM
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"These dogs should have beeen..."
There in lays the rub, these animals are not "dogs" they are Wolves. Just mixing a dog with a wolf does not dulute the wolf enough to make the offspring "dogs". Which is where this person and many other make their mistake. Saddly it cost this person her life.
Yes, I know they are wolves, but I suppose I called them dogs because they were called dogs previously or dogs/wolves. Did she have a license to keep these animals? If she did, she shouldn't have been allowed the license in the first place. Wolves are not to be cared for as regular dogs are, especially when they are given road kill as food *gag* It's common knowledge that if a dog gets the taste of blood, then they crave it afterwards. If it's that way for dogs, then I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for wolves. I do admit that someone should have stepped in and helped this woman because it got to this point, but I really don't think she should have been allowed to own them in the first place if she was constantly afraid of them, and stopped going into their pen. That is when someone needs to recognize her fear, and offer her some kind of help. This is a tragedy, and I pray that she didn't suffer a terrible death.
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7/19/2006 3:04:38 PM
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I wouldn't worry about your Pyrenees'. They seem very harmless. Bumping is commonly used by specific breeds, such as the Pyrs when herding. The dogs will always have herding instincts. I find this different than jumping on you which can lead to dominance problems if not corrected. All of the dogs could simply be trying to herd you to one area. I've encountered the same thing with two English Sheepdogs. It's natural, which is what I would think this is, since they are simply bumping you sideways rather than directly jumping on you. I could be wrong about this and I cannot be 100% certain because I cannot see the dogs exhibiting the behavior, however it sounds that way, so I wouldn't worry myself sick over it.
As for the smaller dogs, something like this is very rare. I've only heard of the choice few stories of people being attacked by their OWN pack of dogs. However, packs can be very dangerous. With two small dogs, you shouldn't worry about it at all. Smaller dogs would be very easy to fight off for one, two, I really don't think with all of the socialization they should be getting that they would exhibit any pack behavior.
thanx for letting me know about the small dogs and that people shouldn't worry about that sort of thing happening to them.  oh and i wanted to say that i knew a wolf/dog hybred when i was young. his name was tomalie and he loved the grandkids (me and my sis and cousins) he never attacked us... he died like 10 years ago... can't remember. but he was the best dog i knew.
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funnybunny
7/19/2006 3:16:08 PM
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thanx for letting me know about the small dogs and that people shouldn't worry about that sort of thing happening to them. oh and i wanted to say that i knew a wolf/dog hybred when i was young. his name was tomalie and he loved the grandkids (me and my sis and cousins) he never attacked us... he died like 10 years ago... can't remember. but he was the best dog i knew.
No problem. I'm glad I could help someone. I definitely wouldn't worry about it.
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7/19/2006 3:39:00 PM
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Okay I just laughed my head off at that article/video. I love the part where they describe the officer "being attacked by 10 in tall pack of angry chihuahuas." Too funny...
I'm just trying to picture a pack of little poms like jack attacking a police officer. You know that guy is never going to live this down at the station....
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funnybunny
7/19/2006 3:52:10 PM
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Okay I just laughed my head off at that article/video. I love the part where they describe the officer "being attacked by 10 in tall pack of angry chihuahuas." Too funny...
I'm just trying to picture a pack of little poms like jack attacking a police officer. You know that guy is never going to live this down at the station....
Lol I know. In different circumstances I wouldn't think it was funny, but "10 angry Chihuahuas" lol. It just sounds funny.
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7/19/2006 4:52:48 PM
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UPDATE:
The animal control said the woman had been warned about these dog/wolves.They also said there were signs she had become fearful of these dogs.She didnot go into the pen to water them(they had dirty water) there were animal bones all in the pen(she fed them road kills).On the day of the attack she was feeding the adults,she only went to the gate to feed.They showed the gate and the wheel barrel of food all over.They also said she was a breeder and either sold the pups or gave them away.The animal conrtol URGED anyone with a dog from her to call them ASAP.The didn't say anything about what will happen to the pups that she had.All the adults were killed.OH and AC also stated the daughter wouldn't go to the home because she was afraid of these dogs,they also said they had attacked 2yrs ago but didn't say what the outcome was to that attack.
some people just refuse to listen or learn.
until they get killed or someone eles does - & they get sued.
human nature at its finest.
"ignore GOOD advise from experts"
(rolling eyes)
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