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noskiveez
6/4/2006 3:25:43 AM
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doggypassion
6/4/2006 11:18:47 AM
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Thank you!
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suebgone
6/4/2006 12:46:16 PM
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The Advisory Board was a shame from day one. They never really had any say in much of anything.
When the Gov. gets tired of patting himself on the back for nothing, perhaps he will take the time to find out what the REAL cause of the problem is: The Bureau of Dog Law/Dept of Ag. that keeps turning their collective heads to the problem & goes on licensing these God-awful places.
I cannot think of one thing that disolving the Advisory Board has, or will do, to make life better for the dogs.
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dusty082155
6/4/2006 1:13:51 PM
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wow. i cant believe how many have signed since i have. i actually posted this on another forum last week and my siggy is 5,277.
suebgone, if you dont like the petition and dont feel it will do any good, then it is your right not to sign. but some of us feel otherwise and would like to feel that at least in some small way, we are doing something towards helping the innocent victims of puppymills.
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doggypassion
6/4/2006 8:57:49 PM
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My family wanted to sign it, but they don't want our address on it so unfortunately we could not. 
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suebgone
6/4/2006 9:12:46 PM
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Thats fine dusty. By all means do anything that makes you feel all warm & fuzzy. I would love to say that he has done something to help. Unfortunately that is not the case.
I worked in PA for many years in sheltering & AC so am quite familiar with the Dog Law Advisory Board, Bureau of Dog Law & the puppymills in PA.
Been involved in cruelty confiscations from them, have seen the misery, & ugliness first hand, up close & personal. I think that gives me the right to question what has or will improve with getting rid of the DLAB. Not one thing has changed nor will it because the AD Board had nothing to do with the licensing, enforcement or inspections of the mills.
I think before signing any petition, people should do their own research into the validity of it.
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dusty082155
6/5/2006 3:44:19 AM
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Quote suebgone:
Thats fine dusty. By all means do anything that makes you feel all warm & fuzzy. I would love to say that he has done something to help. Unfortunately that is not the case.
I worked in PA for many years in sheltering & AC so am quite familiar with the Dog Law Advisory Board, Bureau of Dog Law & the puppymills in PA.
Been involved in cruelty confiscations from them, have seen the misery, & ugliness first hand, up close & personal. I think that gives me the right to question what has or will improve with getting rid of the DLAB. Not one thing has changed nor will it because the AD Board had nothing to do with the licensing, enforcement or inspections of the mills.
I think before signing any petition, people should do their own research into the validity of it.
signing a petition makes me feel warm and fuzzy? lol...NOT ! how old are you ? probably young enough to be my daughter. you insult my integrity with implying that the people that signed that petition are basically....well...idiots.
bottom line is, a petition was posted. you have two options
A.sign
B.don't sign
you have chosen to not sign. you were not berated for your choice, so why the need to be condescending to the ones that do choose to sign ?
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noskiveez
6/5/2006 4:49:35 AM
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Q:
What is a petition?
A:
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=petition
Noun
S: (n) request, petition, postulation (a formal message requesting something that is submitted to an authority)
S: (n) prayer, petition, orison (reverent petition to a deity)
Verb
S: (v) petition (write a petition for something to somebody; request formally and in writing)
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rescuewench
6/5/2006 11:05:32 AM
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quote sueb.."I think before signing any petition, people should do their own research into the validity of it."
I dont think advising people to research anything before they back it is a bad thing at all. why all the fuss? i would say that is very good advise.
and dusty i REALLY doubt sueb is young enough to be your daughter.
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dusty082155
6/5/2006 1:06:07 PM
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Quote rescuewench:
quote sueb.."I think before signing any petition, people should do their own research into the validity of it."
I dont think advising people to research anything before they back it is a bad thing at all. why all the fuss? i would say that is very good advise.
and dusty i REALLY doubt sueb is young enough to be your daughter.
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no it isnt...BUT ..once they have already signed it, then the remark is condescending. because it then, comes off as sounding like we we not intelligent enough to have read before we signed.
i cant speak for noskiveez, but i know that i do read things through before signing. and i also do not jump in and answer questions that were directed at another.
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rescuewench
6/5/2006 1:28:03 PM
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Quote dusty082155:
no it isnt...BUT ..once they have already signed it, then the remark is condescending. because it then, comes off as sounding like we we not intelligent enough to have read before we signed.
i cant speak for noskiveez, but i know that i do read things through before signing. and i also do not jump in and answer questions that were directed at another.
i basically thought that a message board was open to all to participate in?
i guess once it HAS been signed - the point of researching is a moot point.
but i didnt see the issue with the warning to other - in general... and - i dont think warning others is insunating thay are idiots... i would take it at face value - theer are people that need to be warned about things -
i myself have signed random petitions that came back to haunt me as i didnt research them.
i actually became on a peta list from one - and i do NOT EVER wish to be affilated with PETA ever! but i screwed up- signed something and the next thing you know i was getting peta packages in the mail - and all kinds of junk.
had i been warned about researching PRIOR to signing - i wouldnt be on the peta's do girl list .. which i still cant get OFF of no matter how many letters i send them!
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dusty082155
6/5/2006 1:53:55 PM
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i agree with the peta thing. when i had started to recieve articles and things from them in my email, i thought they seemed to be doing great things for animals. the more i researched on them, the more i realized more and more , what they portray themselves to be versus what they really are. then talking to people on the forums, i learned more and more about their shady dealings. i too, do not want any part of peta.
closing down puppymills would be a huge step in the right direction. i just felt that it may or may not help to sign the petition, but it couldnt hurt. so i guess i took that approach. and if it does, then amen. a step forward, if even a small one.
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suebgone
6/5/2006 5:17:39 PM
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but i know that i do read things through before signing. and i also do not jump in and answer questions that were directed at another.
I didn't say you had not READ the petition. I said that people should not sign any petition without RESEARCHING the validity of it.
You must be one old broad if I could be your daughter! Since I am retired I don't think so.
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dusty082155
6/5/2006 6:40:02 PM
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a very old broad indeed ! 
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suebgone
6/5/2006 9:28:20 PM
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Quote dusty082155:
a very old broad indeed !
OK! 
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emlee3
6/7/2006 12:20:19 AM
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i totally agree with you sue about researching before signing. i personally won't sign anything unless i know for sure its valid..i don't even trust some donations unless i know for sure they are truly donating to the source. my friend is a big time donator and loves to donate money esp to the cancer research..i've always been skeptical about donating to cancer research esp the ones that give out those wrist bands. i prefer to work at a hospital or join the peace corp rather than give money..thats just my opinion
also, this is not animal related but there are some organization out there that is valid and does a good job in going out in the community and helping people. research research research!
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suebgone
6/7/2006 1:09:23 PM
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Thanks emlee. I just thought since I have personal experience & knowledge of the situation I would share it. People certainly can decide for themselves whether they chose to sign or not.
It is unfortunate that people will follow blindly, a high profile org.that has chosen to lead them astray. Or perhaps they never checked into what the particulars were either.
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graceemily
6/7/2006 3:50:06 PM
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Some people are too easily convinced that anything claiming to be a charity is good. Many don't read the small print and some are guilty of having donated money to the wrong groups and contributed to funding the oppression of another group of people.
Having said that, I don't mind signing for exact and specific petitions which I do know lots about and have a strong view on and then ask those organising the petition for more information about their group in general. I think it's fine to support a group over one thing and disagree with them over another. For example, I always sign petitions against vivisection as I know lots about that, but I probably won't agree to all the views held by the groups that also oppose animals testing. I'm sure PETA probably oppose it and I would agree with them over that. However, I don't think that people should abandon their pets and I don't want the whole world to be vegetarian just because I am.
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ozarkmtnman
6/7/2006 11:05:35 PM
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Quote rescuewench:
i basically thought that a message board was open to all to participate in?
i guess once it HAS been signed - the point of researching is a moot point.
but i didnt see the issue with the warning to other - in general... and - i dont think warning others is insunating thay are idiots... i would take it at face value - theer are people that need to be warned about things -
i myself have signed random petitions that came back to haunt me as i didnt research them.
i actually became on a peta list from one - and i do NOT EVER wish to be affilated with PETA ever! but i screwed up- signed something and the next thing you know i was getting peta packages in the mail - and all kinds of junk.
had i been warned about researching PRIOR to signing - i wouldnt be on the peta's do girl list .. which i still cant get OFF of no matter how many letters i send them!
Yeah, I thought so too. I can tell you I was attacked in this forum BEFORE I got beligerent on the hypocrates. You're the worst one of them all.
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luvzpuppz
6/7/2006 11:21:39 PM
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MODERATOR: is it possible for you to kick OzarkMtnMan off the forum? I don't know if there is a way to register his computer's address so he can't re-register, but seriously....very annoying and I haven't even been around for a long time.
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