| ladybug2006 |
| Posted 3/18/2008 10:14:36 AM |
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Funny thing on registering with pictures. I know an older lady that purchased a male pug, ACA registered, that had an unknown sire ( most likely some where along the line someone was registered on pictures) She bred her to one of her best pug females, and this is all the Dog was exposed to, and they were the funniest looking pugs I have ever say, long noses, wire long hair, not all of them looked this way, but it was apperant, that some one did not have pug in thier back ground, |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/20/2008 9:38:26 AM |
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| Quote Wando2000: Apparantly there's two CKC. One is the Canadian Kennel Club, the other is something I can't remember, lol (but it's the bad kind) |
it is not the bad kind the rules are a little leaner but it isnt the bad one |
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| joeypoodle |
| Posted 3/20/2008 9:44:36 AM |
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Of the two CKC's... one is legit and one is for puppymills and people who want to make money by selling mixed breeds with made up names. The Continental Kennel Club is there so that "breeders" can get more money for offspring of unregistered dogs and so that they can claim that their latest concoction of a mixed breed comes "with papers". Plain and Simple. Same with the ACA. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/20/2008 9:51:45 AM |
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| Quote getpaid: CKC is still a new club, AKC had to start somewhere, and as to AKC papers, it is just that a paper trail, they do not need to see the pictures of the dogs to register, just the papers from the parents?... |
  poeple who dont have a clue should anwser ? about ckc and my puppy i have seen ckc puppys that would take best of show in an akc ring if they would let it in i worked for a akc breeder as a kennel hand when i was younger and she had great dogs and my friends dad breeds ckc and he has great dogs it has nothing to do with the club your pappers come from are we in grade school my dad is better than your dad are when in grade school or what |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/20/2008 10:10:11 AM |
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| Quote joeypoodle: Of the two CKC's... one is legit and one is for puppymills and people who want to make money by selling mixed breeds with made up names. The Continental Kennel Club is there so that "breeders" can get... |
no i have seen akc puppys from a puppy mill lots of them so is akc bad is that what you are saying joey  |
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| joeypoodle |
| Posted 3/20/2008 10:11:29 AM |
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Great dogs would never be used by a CKC breeder because good breeders would never sell their Puppies to CKC breeders. CKC breeders get their breeding stock from BYB's and mills. How in the world does that make for good breeding??? It doesn't.
What are you judging quality on? Last I knew there were no CKC shows or anything that encourages people to improve on a breed.
AKC has its problems but it's legit and generally accepted. Same with UKC. But CKC and ACA??? No... I'm sorry.
With crackdowns on registrations you are going to be seeing a decline in AKC Puppies in pet stores but I speculate that you will see a steady increase in CKC and ACA registrations. Coincidence? I think not. |
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| joeypoodle |
| Posted 3/20/2008 10:14:38 AM |
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BTW... AKC papers don't = quality. But... you won't find a well bred Dog that doesn't have them. AND... you won't find a titled and proven Dog in a CKC program. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/20/2008 12:33:43 PM |
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| Quote joeypoodle: BTW... AKC papers don't = quality. But... you won't find a well bred Dog that doesn't have them. AND... you won't find a titled and proven Dog in a CKC program. |
look you are wrong akc does not mean anything my dad breed min pins and they are akc but that dont make them better than any other min pins and if you are a Dog lover why do you have to have a purebreed Dog why not a mutt and again do you think that akc dogs are the best or what do you work for akc or are you just talking because you think your Dog is better than the rest Poodle boy |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/20/2008 12:35:36 PM |
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| Quote joeypoodle: Great dogs would never be used by a CKC breeder because good breeders would never sell their Puppies to CKC breeders. CKC breeders get their breeding stock from BYB's and mills. How in the world does... |
and you no all akc breeders right so you no who they sale all thier Puppies to |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/20/2008 1:38:17 PM |
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Ok, a few things ill add my two cents on.
What makes AKC so great, well they certainly have a darker side if you look at it the wrong way. All AkC is is a registry that provides a data base for pure bred dogs and their pedigrees.
It is up to the buyer to get off their butts and research the breeder. A champion lined Dog with at least 90% in the pedigree being champions you will get a well bred Dog that should have a back ground of health screenings so that you can know some one took the time and money to produce a good dog. Not saying that all show breeders are perfect, theres a few bad apples in ever bunch.
I love the fact I can look upon 10 generations or more and know my dogs history.
CKC, you can make up a pedigree if you want when you send that $15 and 3 pictures in. I like the registry for one reason only and that is that they are open to new pure breeds, even so they have not earned the right to have a good reputation making it easy to register any Dog that was not quality enough to be akc, or or the people where just too cheap to pay for the fees. I know of several breeders who that did have nice dogs that they bought out of a "family" type situation and ckc reg it only to find out the Dog was stolen, I had one stolen from me and that happend, if i had not chipped the Dog it would still be there.
CKC on the other hand does offer comps, titles, and last I seen where starting conformation shows, however only when they stop registering dogs with no history to make a buck will they have peoples respect. |
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| joeypoodle |
| Posted 3/20/2008 1:52:04 PM |
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Bigdog -
 Response almost isn't worth it.
No I don't "no who they sale thier Puppies to". lol....
I picked a Poodle for a variety of reasons. One of which was competition in AKC sanctioned events. I also wasn't going to give money to a puppy raiser type breeder or BYB. I went with an excellent breeder that was able to give me the right drive, conformation, intelligence and soundness that I need. He was selected for me based on my needs. I also know that my puppy was produced from a proven pairing and that there was tremendous thought that went into his breeding with the goal of making a better poodle. I selected a breed with a certain job in mind, I'm a responsible owner and I participate in rescue to the greatest extent that I am capable. I'm not anti-breeding but I am anti-thoughtless breeding.
Tell me, for your CKC dogs, what sorts of health screenings do you do? What are your guarantee for the pups? What happens when one of them no longer has a home? Does it come back to you or do you let it go to the shelter? Do you know the exact health of the dogs bak 5 generations? Do you know wo what degree your dogs are inbred (COI)? How old do you breed your dogs? Do you breed every heat cycle? How old do you breed your females? How do you differentiate good stock from not? |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/23/2008 7:38:42 AM |
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Quote joeypoodle: Bigdog -
Response almost isn't worth it.
No I don't "no who they sale thier Puppies to". lol....
I picked a Poodle for a variety of reasons. One of which was competition in AKC sanctioned... |
i am not a breeder i dont have the time to but if i was i would make sure my dogs were taken care of and yes ckc is newer i have had akc and ckc dogs fact is it is a Dog and a lot of rescue dogs are mutts and i have owned mutts that are just as good or better than pure breed dogs you take it to seriously it is a Dog wether it is akc or ckc or from the pound so does it make you less a human because you not registered are your parents irresponsible breeders or byb and it dont matter what you do with you pet it is still just that a pet so dont be so anti ckc or any other club or pound because you need to love you Dog wether it is akc or pound puppie and if you Dog was not akc you wouldnt want it any more is that what you are saying and you are the one with the closed mined american bulldogs are my breed of choice they can do anything from hunting to playing with my kid but it is not akc and it is still one of the best dogs i have ever owned anyting esle to say poodle |
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| moggie |
| Posted 3/23/2008 11:19:38 AM |
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 this is specifically for joeypoodle....you are soooo wrong...let me explain...some of the very people of which you are showing against....do run puppy mills..and this is how they do it..trust me here...this is a fact...they produce massive Puppies...and...they are cloning to try and come up with the perfect LOOKING dog...what happens to all these Puppies.? they are sold to brokers with no papers...the brokers simply register them with ckc..apr..etc..you will not know this because they are very shady about it....others will give out the akc registrations...and limit them...the broker then switches them with another registry..i am holding ckc papers in my hand right this moment with yorkmonts and royal paws..so...please dont tell me...you have no clue what is going on behind the scenes...yes akc is the preferred club, however they have NO clue what they are registering...could be a cardboard box for all they know...but i will tell you this...akc show breeders...and kennels...have put some mighty fine ckc, nkc, apr dogs out there...and your competition is being upped every day....i am also holding dassin and whisperwind of new ckc registry also...your akc and your show breeders are not what you think...they are passing down the very Puppies to other regisries that are turned into breeders in backyards and mills...where exactly did you think they were comming from anyway...they all originated from akc at one point or another....... |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/23/2008 12:03:35 PM |
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| Quote moggie: this is specifically for joeypoodle....you are soooo wrong...let me explain...some of the very people of which you are showing against....do run puppy mills..and this is how they do it..trust... |
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| BoozeHoar |
| Posted 5/26/2008 12:39:25 PM |
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My wife and I recently were able to bring a beautiful Great Dane into our pack. He is CKC (Continental) registered.
I will admit, I have just started to educate myself on the CKC but I can tell you this without a doubt...he is 100% purebred - as were his mother and father - we saw both and they were ALL Dane and spectacular. Above average in all respects.
As a new registary, CKC, I imagine, is trying to boost it's numbers, but that does not mean they are a shady operation.
You can't tell me when AKC started out that they had all 100% purebred dogs - no way.
We have had a AKC registered Newfoundland that wasn't any more pure than our current CKC Great Dane. Our new Dane has qualities for a Fawn that most I see dont - particularly his well defined black mask and structure. 16 weeks he weighed in at 65.5 pounds and was 25 inches at the shoulders. Our vet has been overly impressed wiht him.
Seems its all about power and prestige and who wants to keep it all in their corner.
I equate it to having only one store to shop at. One a new one comes up everyone will point out why its not as good as the old one. And why would you want only one store to shop at?
Choice is not a bad thing!
One other comment - and this is knowing we have owned purebreds in the past and do now - we also own four mixed breeds - mutts as you would call them - that are just as beautiful, loving, obidient, and smart as any purebred out there. A set of papers doesn't mean a whole lot unless you "need them" for show purposes. We have a Rott that does not have papers but is "pure" down to the pencil marks on her toes... that doesn't make her less of a Dog - and it wouldn't if she was registered with the CKC rather than AKC either.
Don't get hung up on papers.
~peace~
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| goldengal |
| Posted 5/29/2008 5:32:34 PM |
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Why am I even bothering??? I don't know either.
No one is saying that a Dog is a better Dog because it's registered with the AKC!!! No one is saying that every Dog registered with the CKC is absolute crap(pardon the language).
However, We used to have a black lab/Aussie mix. She looked just like a black lab. Everyone who saw her thought she was purebred black lab. What was to keep us from registering her with the CKC as a a purebred black lab and selling her pups as purebred labs. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! Then 10 years down the road, when the pups have spread around enough that about 5 states away, someone's "purebred" lab(which was bred to another purebred lab) had a couple of blue merle Puppies.
IMHO, alot of BYB's are going to CKC, because then they can use their males as stud however often they want to, without getting the Dog DNA'd
CKC also clearly advertises(supports) mixed breeds, designer dogs, whatever you want to call them. And that right there should ensure that they get no true Dog fancier's business. |
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