| goldengal |
| Posted 12/9/2005 5:49:44 PM |
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Getpaid, How many AKC rotts have you seen and how many CKC rotts have you seen If you would go to a responsible breeder In the AKC I bet there dogs would whip the pants off youre dogs in conformation |
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| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 12/9/2005 6:40:55 PM |
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C'mon, getpaid.. post some pictures... we're waiting to see these beautiful Rotties you have. |
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| NubsLove |
| Posted 12/10/2005 1:00:51 AM |
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WHEW! OK, lol, I may have posted this somewhere else, but I cant remember. Does anyone know why AKC wont recognize black Boxers. I know why the white ones wont be recognized (frequent blindness, etc), but my dads black male Boxer is arguably the most beautiful Dog ive ever seen. I think the fawns and brindles are beautiful as well, as all boxers are, but just the sight of Pim takes my breath away. Hes so streamline and sleek. He is fancy (i think thats what its called) with the white chest and feet. I just cant imagine why a beautiful Dog cant be recognized. I reeeeally hope im not mistaken on this, haha, because I would be pretty embarassed. lol |
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| foxfire_ga79 |
| Posted 12/10/2005 2:56:34 PM |
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Funnybunny and others with negative information about the CKC---Where are you getting your information? It's obviously not going to be on their website! LOL! I ask because I'm just now starting to work on a breeding program for Chihuahuas. I have 2 females so far, 6 months old and they are CKC. I know I'm holding myself to the right standards, but if so many people are able to get away with bad breeding practices I need to know about it so I can find some way to switch or just have these 2 girls spayed and start my search over again. I don't want other people's stupidity bringing me down if the CKC really is that bad.
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| doxiedaddy |
| Posted 12/10/2005 3:52:12 PM |
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| Quote foxfire_ga79: Funnybunny and others with negative information about the CKC---Where are you getting your information? It's obviously not going to be on their website! LOL! I ask because I'm just now starting to work... |
The last time I checked their website, it plainly stated to simply send in a photo of the pup to be registered (front and sides) and they would reg. it. They may have stricter rules now, been awhile since I visited their site.
If the pup resembles a certain breed, they will reg. it as a purebred, without any questions. Doesn't sound too reliable of a registry to me. (just my opinion) LOL! |
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| foxfire_ga79 |
| Posted 12/10/2005 5:28:13 PM |
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Yea, doesn't sound too reliable that way, but that method isn't that simple. I haven't checked recently because I haven't yet done a "by picture only" registration, but when I did check you had to have 2 vets give witness signatures to it, which means taking the puppy to the vet and getting it verified that that was the same puppy in the pictures you were sending in. Still not fool proof of course, but I dare say there are more honest vets out there than dishonest breeders. I'm hoping anyway....LOL!
All we can really do is support legislation that keeps puppymills down and help educate as many buyers as possible what to look for in quality dogs and the breeders that produce them. And we should also try not to place too much blame in a registry. If these breeders are kicked out of the AKC and move on to the CKC, that means at one point the AKC was "letting" these breeders get away with their lies. Maybe the CKC just hasn't caught on to each one yet? I've seen several breeders go away from the AKC for legitimate reasons, so the breeders that are lying about parentage are probably lying about why they switched over too. What goes around comes around, they will get what they deserve!  |
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| NubsLove |
| Posted 12/10/2005 11:10:04 PM |
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 black boxers???..anyone?? lol |
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| mjanddobes |
| Posted 12/11/2005 9:22:22 AM |
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| Quote NubsLove: black boxers???..anyone?? lol |
Black is not an accepted color in the Boxer standard. In most cases, a black Boxer is just a very dark brindle. If a black Boxer resulted from the breeding of two darker brindles, it would still be a registered Boxer, but it could not be shown as the color is a disqualification, and it should never be bred. The same holds true for a white Boxer. White occures frequently because of the large amount of white on some Boxers - it is a white and not albino (a white Dobe is a partial albino as it is an absence of color NOT a color).
Here is an the portion of the Boxer Standard for color:
"Color
The colors are fawn and brindle. Fawn shades vary from light tan to mahogany. The brindle ranges from sparse but clearly defined black stripes on a fawn background to such a heavy concentration of black striping that the essential fawn background color barely, although clearly, shows through (which may create the appearance of reverse brindling).
White markings, if present, should be of such distribution as to enhance the dogs appearance, but may not exceed one-third of the entire coat. They are not desirable on the flanks or on the back of the torso proper. On the face, white may replace part of the otherwise essential black mask, and may extend in an upward path between the eyes, but it must not be excessive, so as to detract from true Boxer expression. The absence of white markings, the so-called plain fawn or brindle, is perfectly acceptable, and should not be penalized in any consideration of color.
Disqualifications: Boxers that are any color other than fawn or brindle. Boxers with a total of white markings exceeding one-third of the entire coat. "
For more information about the breed, you might want to go to the US parent club at:
www.americanboxerclub.org
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| NubsLove |
| Posted 12/11/2005 10:40:31 PM |
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He was bred from a fawn mother and a black father. I was just wondering if anyone knew why they cant be recognized... My aunt has several and they dont seem to have anything wrong with them, and I think they are beautiful. Maybe just "one of those things" ?? |
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| stevossss |
| Posted 12/12/2005 5:24:42 AM |
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Maybe there is a lab in the bloodline somewhere, it is not impossible, even in AKC if a breeder used someones elses papers long ago. |
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| stevossss |
| Posted 12/12/2005 5:40:03 AM |
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mjanddobes you have way to much time on your hands, to be posting like that. Looks like you just talk down on everyone. LOL you need to take another look at your substandard dobermans before you go putting others down. You have the most negative posts that I have seen. Is everything ok at home? Do you need a hug? Or do you need to just fill important?
is this the only way you can? You don't have a clue do you? All that you have done is just buy a couple of dogs with pedigrees, and entered in local events.
You can not claim any athority here. |
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| stevossss |
| Posted 12/12/2005 5:57:35 AM |
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You may want to think of getting your black boxers registerd as a developmental breed, and try starting your own new breed of dog. This will take a long time, and many litters, you will have to write out the name, and breed standard. Send it into as many registries as you can, most have a developemental program, and you can get a Dog registerd as a developmental breed, AKC will do this but all dogs from the litters will state that it is a developmental breed, and after they have so many dogs from that new breed, they will give you a temporary breed status, and later when there are more you will have your next breed of dog. You never know you may be the next Louis Doberman, don't you agree manjadobs? If it was not for Louis and his idea of a new breed which owes most of its bloodline to rottweilers, you would not have your dogs. Also there are many new breeds today that where not breeds 50 yrs ago. |
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| foxfire_ga79 |
| Posted 12/12/2005 8:55:17 AM |
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Oh yea, Steve is definatly getpaid4. Can't do anything but bash dobes and sing the praises of rotts and only rotts.
And let's just pretend for a minute that mjanddobes does need a hug because something is wrong at home, you're not helping any by teasing. Go ask what Dr Phil would have to say about someone who spends all their time antagonizing other people! |
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| NubsLove |
| Posted 12/12/2005 11:59:23 PM |
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I always start a fight! Without trying! What is it with me?! lol...I appriciate everyones suggestions, BUT, my question still hasnt been answered..Why wont AKC recognize black boxers? Not wanting to know for breeding or professional purposes, just personal. Thanks! |
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| FunnyBunny |
| Posted 12/13/2005 9:02:16 AM |
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| Quote NubsLove: I always start a fight! Without trying! What is it with me?! lol...I appriciate everyones suggestions, BUT, my question still hasnt been answered..Why wont AKC recognize black boxers? Not wanting... |
Nobody knows exactly why the AKC will not accept certain colors but people do give educated guesses on the subject of color variations. Them not accepting a certain color leads me to believe that they are not doing so because they were developed with the specific colors that are accepted. The black Boxer may not have come around until later, after the original Boxer breed was already recognized. The black Boxer I doubt would ever be accepted, but if someone wanted to do so they could either try to register it as a new breed which usually NEVER works, or try to get the color accepted for the Boxer. |
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| Scout1 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 4:46:48 PM |
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i dont know why AKC wont accept certain colors either but i would tend to think it has to do with the breed clubs standards on what is acceptable for the particular breed and what isnt.
if black is not an acceptable color from the breed clubs point of view then it wouldnt be from AKC's point of view either. since it is the parent club of the breeds that write the AKC standards , not AKC. |
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 10:48:54 PM |
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| Quote NubsLove: I always start a fight! Without trying! What is it with me?! lol...I appriciate everyones suggestions, BUT, my question still hasnt been answered..Why wont AKC recognize black boxers? Not wanting... |
I am not sure, the standard was prob wrote long ago, and that black was not desired and put in. You can prob get a better idea from a AKC website forum. Or just do a google search for black boxers, and you will most likely get some answers. |
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| huronbreeze |
| Posted 12/13/2005 11:11:41 PM |
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hello Scout...
Fox fire...I read your post and I wanted to address your coments...I breed German Shepherd and the more controvercerial American Lines. My dogs are AKC and frankly i would buy only AKC dogs...My dogs are Champions or Champion backgrounds. So..I am a person who believes in following breed standards...I personally since you asked...(if you should spay your girls and start over) I would do just that...I have no respect for a registry that would accept a AKC Dog sold on limited registration and CKC (continential) will regester it for full registration for breeding...not to mention that the labradoodle is just as much a breed as your purebred...that doesnt make sence to me..I hope that you look deep and if your serious to breed and to do it the best way that you can...I personally would have only AKC dogs...They are respected in a different way and the do comformation to test the Dog against the breed standards. I would also go UKC but none of the other worthless registries out there that BYB and mills use because they are laxed. The akc isnt perfect mind you...but of all the choices it is hands down, the best available. I applaude your efforts to do things the right way so...please think about it and do the research and see what you feel after doing all of that...take care |
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| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/7/2008 5:32:57 AM |
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Has this topic changed in two years? I've been curious as all get out, mind you my dogs are AKC, but have seen a surplus of CKC lately....much more than before. What is the point if you can register mixed breeds, how is that for the betterment of the breed???
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| boswer |
| Posted 3/7/2008 4:25:19 PM |
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| Quote sassee2005: I know what that AKC stands for American Kennel Club, but I'm unsure of the CKC. Also, I was wondering I have a female Boxer that is full blood, but the problem is the dad was AKC(deceased before she... |
I don't understand how so call breeders can get away with this. Surely the AKC should get involved:
Comfort Saint Berdoodle and Comfort Saint Bernard - Medium Designer Dogs
Since I can't list the website because its considered as advertising I am posting what a kennel is breeding as a Comfort Dog.
Boswer
What is a Comfort? A comfort has Cocker Spaniel added in the mix to reduce the size by height and weight.
Comfort Saint Berdoodles are 1/2 Poodle, 1/4 Saint and 1/4 Cocker Spaniel, Maturing on the average around 18" - 20" tall. Low shedding, do not drool. Expecting a first litter in late 2007.
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