| kgood63 |
| Posted 12/11/2005 9:02:10 AM |
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Your best bet would probably be a rottweiler which i owned for 9 wonderful years...she was not trained but her guard Dog abilities were natural which i believe comes from the breed..and just like GetPaid3 stated my rottweiler loved the cold weather also...and if you have children in the household that rott is very protective of them , for example I built a kennel for her and when she was in the kennel there happen to be a possum in the yard while my son and niece were playing and being kids they were curious and started to approach this possum so making a long story short the possum went in attack mode and to our suprise my rottweiler managed to get out of the kennel and sorry to say killed this possum before any harm happened to the children in the yard........to me rottweilers mean natural protectors |
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| stevossss |
| Posted 12/12/2005 6:56:09 AM |
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Quote mjanddobes: "you can certainly trust a Pyr in an animal shelter, and not have to worry about it's past and whether it will turn on you."
I was going to let this whole discussion on "Guard" dogs go because I didn't... |
You stated that you have dobermans, they are a great breed for protection, just like a rottweiler, but did you know that they are know to bite kids more often then a rottweiler? I am sure that you have , not that I do not trust them around if they are raised up good from the start, and socialized, it is in there nature to guard , Louis Doberman used the Rottweiler in the make up of a Doberman, so it would have this natural guarding instinct. Both are great dogs for a family. I would go with a Rottweiler for my 1st choice, then maybe a German Shepherd, followed by a Doberman or Belgian Shepherd. But that is just me. All are great. |
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| foxfire_ga79 |
| Posted 12/12/2005 8:37:52 AM |
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Actually, no I did not state that I have dobermans. I have Pyrenees, which is why I was supporting them. Try not to get too confused now in all your attacks on me and defences of getpaid4.  |
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| DIGGERkristin |
| Posted 12/12/2005 9:16:10 AM |
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I have a rotti and my mother has a german shepard.. both are very protective and i trust both of them very much. they are very laid back calm dogs but if a situation arises i know without a doubt they would protect me. |
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| mjanddobes |
| Posted 12/12/2005 1:58:20 PM |
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| Quote stevossss: You stated that you have dobermans, they are a great breed for protection, just like a rottweiler, but did you know that they are know to bite kids more often then a rottweiler? I am sure that you have... |
I'd love to know where you get your statistics! I doubt seriously that Dobermans bite children any more frequently than Rottweilers... or any other breed - LOL! The sad fact is that most Dog bites are never reported and when they are it is usually because they are severe enough to require medical care - then the Dr. is required to ask what happened if it is a Child.
The CDC (Center For Disease Control) does keep a record of Dog bites, but it is known that it is not accurate for several reasons. One is because most bites are not reported. Another is that most people don't report bites from small breeds. Also, most people cannot truly identify what breed of Dog bit them if it was an unknown dog. Who knows how many bites have been blamed on dogs like Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, Dobermans, etc... that were actually Cocker Spanials, Labs, or some other breed or mix of unknown origin.
I do have a book on Fatal Dog attacks and the statistics are quite surprising. From 1965 to 2001, 13 fatal attacks can be attributed to Dobermans (remember this was the number 2 breed in registrations for several years in the 1970's and 1980's... kind of like Labs today). In that same period of time, 54 fatal attacks can be attributed to Rottweilers ... not nearly as many Rottweilers as Dobermans registered during that time period. Dobermans don't even rank in the top 10 breeds of dogs for fatalities. Great Danes and even St. Bernards are highter.
My facts can be backed up with proof... can yours? Also, 25% of all fatal attacks were by chained or kenneled dogs, many of whom were abused or neglected. Most fatal attacks are on the very young with the very old coming in second.
If you are interested in real facts, the book is called: "Fatal Dog Attacks: The Stories Behind The Statistics" By Karen Delise copywright 2002
It should still be available on Amazon.com |
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 12:45:40 AM |
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After reading some of the replies here, it reminds me of something i read on a church sign the other day.
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"It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts" There is no reason to defend dobermans or rottweilers here, anyone that wants one of those breeds, well know almost everything that you post. Nothing new to me, I have read alot , maybe not as much as you. And that scares me, because It seems like it is all I do. I have seen stats on Dog breeds, and a agree that most would not have a close idea what breeds top the list on bites. Look at a golden retreiver is it still on top? mjadobes could prob tell us. Please let us all know. mjadobes I hope you know that I am just having fun with you, you seem to have looked into alot of stuff on dogs, I respect you for that, but there are alot of Dog lovers out there that you are trying to call byb and put down any chance you get. I highly doubt that any byb would even spend time posting in here. If you take a look there are just alot of people with real questions, and prob the same love for dogs as you. Please do not be so blind as to think that you are any better than someone that has a question to ask.
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| jrue1985 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 12:43:17 PM |
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Quote getpaid5: After reading some of the replies here, it reminds me of something i read on a church sign the other day.
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"It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts" There is no reason to defend... |
Why are you just repeating things over and over? It is getting boring. I am just gonna ignore all your posts now, since you have nothing new to say. And don't mock people when they show you facts... I think YOU are the one who thinks they know it all here. |
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 1:01:10 PM |
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| FunnyBunny |
| Posted 12/13/2005 5:03:47 PM |
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| Quote jrue1985: Why are you just repeating things over and over? It is getting boring. I am just gonna ignore all your posts now, since you have nothing new to say. And don't mock people when they show you facts... I... |
You have said the same things over and over. We know that you have Rottweiler's and that yours are supposidely better than most registered with the AKC even though you refuse to supply pictures of them. You seem to be bashing a certain breed and certain person because it is not a rott. Doberman's in my opinion are better than Rottweiler's personality wise, but I don't dwell on that and post it over and over. I love most Dog breeds but I don't side with one and stick to that and only that, especially when there are certain facts that contradict what you say. You have started quite a few arguments here and have posted only on threads regarding rottweiler's, or the AKC and CKC. You have also posted with many different names to I guess throw people off and lead us to believe you are someone else that is siding with what you believe. I must say, you're very strange... |
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| Scout1 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 5:16:28 PM |
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i have anatolian shepherds. they make great guard dogs. however there are other attributes to their personalitties that are not for just any Dog owner.
they accept what i accept into my house ..... they know the difference betweeen a child and a real threat so they would not just attack a kid who wandered into your home.
they are very intelligent and stubborn, they absolutely need a fence height of at least 6 feet or you can forget about them staying contained. while made for living outdoors they cannot live out in a yard 24/7 or you can have a dangerous Dog on your hands. they tend to need more socialization then your average dog.
ibedience training is a must with them though they are not generally considered a breed that excels in obedience. they are too darn smart and learn things easily but repitition bores them and they were not bred to be people pleasers like your other breeds. they were bred to do things on their own with no direction from their human counterparts and it is a trait that still remains heavily within their genetic makeup.
lots to consider when thinking of this breed or any other LGD. |
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/13/2005 10:41:52 PM |
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funny you already have your mind set about me. So you read my post with blinders on. Or just read my post alone, and nothing posted just before what I posted. Because whatever I say that may sound negative to you, is just a return from some post made prior to mine. Lets talk dogs , lets not talk me. If you have something to say to me send me an email @ getpaid6or7@yahoo.com I look forward to sending you some pics. Since you have been asking for them. No shame here. |
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| Wando2000 |
| Posted 12/14/2005 2:28:30 AM |
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| Quote getpaid5: funny you already have your mind set about me. So you read my post with blinders on. Or just read my post alone, and nothing posted just before what I posted. Because whatever I say that may sound negative... |
Don't worry, many people here have their minds set about certain things and certain people. Pay no mind to it. Just ignore the "Nah, nah, nah, I can't hear youuuuu!" and continue with what you're talking about, because there are others here that actually care to learn something  |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 12/14/2005 6:13:46 AM |
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| Quote NubsLove: As you can tell, Im new here. I a member of other forums, and just happened to come across this one. Im not, however, new to Dog breeds (my aunt is a breeder). Ive heard about certain dogs being "gaurd... |
Haveing had a Lhasa Apso I can't tell you a better guard dog. They bark like they will bite and they bark when they hear a pin drop. If your determined to have a Dog that people will be afraid of get a Chow. |
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| FantasiaWHT |
| Posted 12/14/2005 12:58:13 PM |
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Funnybunny, I hate to break it to you but we ALL repeat ourselves over and over here. 9/10ths of what we say in threads we have already said before in similar, if not nearly identical, terms, so I don't think criticizing him for that is fair.
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/14/2005 2:03:22 PM |
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| Quote maoseger1010: Haveing had a Lhasa Apso I can't tell you a better guard dog. They bark like they will bite and they bark when they hear a pin drop. If your determined to have a Dog that people will be afraid of get a... |
LOL you are telling the truth on that one, Chows scare the jesus out of me , and that is saying something. They scare me so much that I don't think that I could ever own one. I have had most known gaurd dogs, and have been thinking a Tosa over. I Chow for some reason would scare me even if I owned one. Also my Grandparents always owned Chows, untill one of my younger cousins had to have total reconstructive surgery when he was 5 years old. He is over 20 now, and still has problems with his face. I do not hate that Dog breed,but I do believe that they are a one person dog, but I am not sure. They look awesome, just scare me is all. Good choice if you never want me to come into your house. |
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| FunnyBunny |
| Posted 12/14/2005 2:47:23 PM |
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| Quote FantasiaWHT: Funnybunny, I hate to break it to you but we ALL repeat ourselves over and over here. 9/10ths of what we say in threads we have already said before in similar, if not nearly identical, terms, so I don't... |
I however think it is very fair. Do we all post something on one thread, then create a new thread by just copying and pasting what we said previously? No we do not all do that. Reminds me a bit of Kayz. She did that quite a bit. |
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/15/2005 12:36:15 AM |
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maybe that was because the point had nothing to do with the orginal post anymore, and needed to be shown then reposted on a new one, when a post has over 100 replies and they are getting way off base, then this maybe should be done , like we are off track again on this one. |
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| jrue1985 |
| Posted 12/16/2005 2:32:47 PM |
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| Quote getpaid5: maybe that was because the point had nothing to do with the orginal post anymore, and needed to be shown then reposted on a new one, when a post has over 100 replies and they are getting way off base,... |
That happens with all threads, but it doesn't mean you need to copy and paste and make another one. Especially when it is going to just create another arguement thread. There are enough of those as it is. |
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| getpaid5 |
| Posted 12/16/2005 3:45:15 PM |
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| Quote jrue1985: That happens with all threads, but it doesn't mean you need to copy and paste and make another one. Especially when it is going to just create another arguement thread. There are enough of those as it... |
Yes this is true. There are prob. alot of people that come here for some good advice, and get turned off from all the arguements. I try to give what I think is a good point, and should leave it at that, and stop responding to the responses that it may bring. Sorry to have reposted to a new tread, I honestly thought it would let the old post back on track, and take the new views to another. The next poster wants to talk about gaurd dogs. |
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| FunnyBunny |
| Posted 12/16/2005 5:04:16 PM |
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Many newcomers think we argue and that is all. That is not true. There are times where the forum is filled with nothing but friendly posts. Then one post comes along concerning a certain matter. That is when things go back and forth, people disagree. Then out of nowhere, another thread concerning the same thing. That starts an argument. Then another concerning the same thing again, and the threads are eventually locked. Trolls come to this forum merely to start arguments and leave. They have nothing better to do so they try to push buttons and create an argument. Many times it does work, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes we see what they are doing and the thread dies. We are not here to argue. We are here to enjoy speaking to each other about our pets, and give advice. That is all. I wouldn't be here for almost a year if I were here to argue. I have better things to do. |
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