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noskiveez
11/20/2005 4:46:25 PM
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But people are still TRYING to have children after failed attempts the natural way. Thus the so called fertility drugs, egg donors and surrogate mothers, trying to have a "child of their own". Why not adopt?
"sell their children," Do you ever watch the news? I have heard of people selling thier kids for drugs! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes people do still want to have children of their own, and they go through alot to try. But there is a diference when a breeder throws a few dogs together and has puppies and sells mutts for top dollar, all for profit. Humans have a desire to become parents, to love and care for a child. Dogs dont. Some people (especailly those that have dished out that kind of money for the testing and fertility treatments) might be financially tapped at this point...and many of them do adopt at that point. Its all a personal choice for two humans who have the capacity to make that choice...again dogs dont have that capacity.
When a sorrogate is used...the woman does have to adopt the child. There aren't always enough agencies with available children for adoption and now a days the birth parent or parents select the family as opposed to the family picking a child that they want. Some families wait and wait to get picked. Sorta like the dogs at a shelter waiting for a family to pick them, but it is turned around.
And those that have sold their child for drugs or any other means should not have been parents to begin with. Again, they made a choice that a dog could not make. But what makes those parents any different than those breeders who are out their only to gain a cash "fix" from breeding a dog?
I love how you attempt to distort things.
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ix3mypuggle
11/20/2005 7:55:00 PM
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shay05
11/20/2005 8:14:10 PM
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LOL...you agree? If you did you wouldn't try breeding a pug/beagle mixed dog ...I'm confused.
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rosismom
11/23/2005 12:22:04 PM
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I do have an inside dog that I obtained by choice, a puggle. People seem to be getting upset about the breeding of these mutts but, people have been breeding all kinds of animals for monetary gain for years. I do not agree with puppy mills, and cruelty to animals and believe these people should be severely punished but, with anything demand calls for suppliers. I would reccommed the puggle to be a recognized breed and anyone looking for a small house dog for children to get one. Find someone who raises them at home and visit to make sure that these people treat their animals the way they should. Don't give someone a chance to make money when they don't do right by their animals. Our puggle is truly the baby of our family. They are small enough to be inside, but stout enough for children to play with them without the danger of harm to the puppy. They are very affecionate and very calm (Rosi has barked only one time at a visitor in nine months) Coincidentally someone we don't particurally care for. She is also very good with other animals, actually our Cockatoo (another rescue from a breeder) can pen her behind the dryer. Her pesonality is plus. The best of the pug and the best of the beagle come out in this breed, our vet said she is a perfect dog, her snout is long enough that she can breath, although she does snore when she sleeps, she doesn't have that hound smell to her and the intelligence of both come out in her. So before we bash the mutts, look into them and find out if they are producing a favorable pet. Anyone willing to pay a thousand dollars for a dog surely will care for it. And in time the fad will die down, but, this is one cross that would definately be an assett to the AKC. Most all of our beloved recognized breeds at one time was a mix of something and they all at one time were wolves. So don't bash someone for wanting a puggle,just continue to promote humane treatment for all of mother nature's creatures, and support local humane societies, and promote responsible ownership, volunteer to transport an elderly neighbors pet to a spay and neuter clinic ( I have done it) and if you know of a low cost clinic carry the number with you and give it out to people, if your animal should become pregnant or get someone's pet pregnant be sure to give them to loving homes and if you can share the expense of spaying/neutering with their new owners and remember some vets will give you a multiple animal discount. Thanks for your time.
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11/23/2005 4:25:46 PM
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PLEASE!!!! I did extensive research to find my puggle in a shelter! This was before they were so popular, but I found her! Now I look and they are in almost every shelter. PLEASE just look! Look at petfinder.com. Type in pug for the type and it will come up pug/beagle. I even went out of state to get my dog. Ask the shelter to see if your local shelter will come do the home check. Most places will do this just to save a dog! I haven't had a dog since I was very little, and I was pretty indifferent to them (with allergies and all). Then I decided to get one for a little come with me everywhere companion, and she is just the most precious thing ever! I see such different wonderful personalities in dogs now. I just don't see how anyone could hurt an animal. I can tell her moods and feelings and have definately become an advocate for animals. So once again PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE check the shelters first. There are some wonderful puggles already there. And any purebred you would want. 
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akitakt
11/23/2005 6:00:16 PM
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I have a puggle and I did not get it from a pet store or puppymill. I got her from a reputable pug breeder who saw how wonderful the mix was. Where do any of you think purebreeds came from??? They came from mixing other breeds, look it up in any dog breed book, it will say what breeds each breed decended from. There are slight variations in breeding puggles, but actually very few, it has more to do with the parents just like a pure breed. If you know anything about genetics you know that there are certain genetic traits that are dominant, that is why even when you breed two puggles you get more puggles. It could easily become a real breed eventually. All the vets I talk to say they love the idea of puggles because they do get rid of the bad genetic traits of pugs while keeping a lot of the qualities they have. I realize the problem with shelters and puppymills, but I see it more as a problem of IRRESPONSIBLE owners who do not have a demand for their mutt puppies. And regarding puppymills, I think we can agree that there is a high demand for puggles, just like any other KIND of dog that gets a lot of publicity. Puggles have a puppymill problem because most breeder refuse to breed them. One last point, the people who are paying $1,000 for a mix are oftem in affluent areas were the shelters have no overpopulation problem. Have you ever been to a shelter in Beverly Hills or the Bay Area? You have to get on a waiting list to get a dog or cat, the animals are never killed, and they all have their own virtual doggy condos to live in while they wait to be adopted...I think that is the bigger issue, we have too much supply in some areas and too much demand in others. Anyways, puggles are great, just like any pure breed, they persomality characteristics as well as physical characteristics. Puggles are the best dog BREED I could imagine and I've owned many other mixes and purebreeds. And they do breed "true to themselves" I've seen several puggles that were bred from a puggle and a puggle and several litter with no "reject puggles" Believe me, because they are NOT pure breeds they don't have to be EXACTLY a certain way...I dobt there has been any culling of puggles...can't say the same for purebreds.
Regarding your statement that you don't think there are many dogs in shelters in the Bay Area or Beverly Hills:
Are you insane??? I live in the Bay Area and dogs and cats are killed EVERYDAY here. I know because I volunteer at one. Please visit a shelter in a particular area before you start making assumptions. I would say that rich people are just as likely to dump their dogs as poorer people are. Why? They get bored with the latest craze, for example... puggles. Look at Paris Hilton, she already got rid of Tinkerbell. Now she apparently has a kinkajou. ??
Even in Beverly Hills or the bay area people dump their dogs. The dog gets to be destructive, or whiney, or whatever. And off to the shelter they go.
I have not been to the shelters in Beverly Hills, but I did visit the shelter in Orange,CA which I would say is a pretty affluent/wealthy area. There were plenty of dogs, cats and rabbits there as well.
Wealthy people get rid of their pets just as much as less wealthy people do. Just maybe for different reasons.text
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akitakt
11/23/2005 6:09:27 PM
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First of all, I have a question for all you posters who insist that all dogs be tested and have health certification before being bred. To these posters who have children, did you and your spouse have health tests done before you became pregnant and had children? Huh? Were you worthy of being bred? I know a lot of you will say that humans and animals are different. Well maybe and maybe not! And another thing, you say that these people who buy these designer breeds should adopt from a shelter, well what about all these children in the world who need adopting. Instead, people are having children because (the reason I hear all the time) "I want one of my own". So they try and try to get pregnant and then nothing happens, so they decide to try invetro and all that other stuff, instead of adoptong. So someone PLEASE tell me what is the difference??????????? I don't agree with all the "designer dog breeding" but let's not "gag on a maggot and swallow a camel!"
"you say that these people who buy these designer breeds should adopt from a shelter, well what about all these children in the world who need adopting. Instead, people are having children because (the reason I hear all the time) "I want one of my own". So they try and try to get pregnant and then nothing happens, so they decide to try invetro and all that other stuff, instead of adoptong. So someone PLEASE tell me what is the difference? I don't agree with all the "designer Dog breeding" but let's not "gag on a maggot and swallow a camel!"
You do have a point! The world is overpopulated with people as well. And there are plenty of people who are starving and dying. However, consider the fact that it is incredibly hard and incredibly expensive to adopt from another country. Actually, it's hard even locally. While adopting a pet rather than breeding your own is actually cheaper. Is it not cheaper to adopt than to breed your dog and pay those vet bills while they are pregnant and possibly more for a c-section. And then the cost of time in raising all the puppies to at least 8 weeks of age.
Another point would be that many humans have a maternal desire to raise children of their own. While it could be argued by many animals behaviorists that animals do not. They have an instinct to mate/breed, but they are not sad if they don't become mothers.\
So your analogy is not quite apples to apples. It's more like apples to bananas. 
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fantasiawht
11/28/2005 8:48:55 AM
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Akita, actually a lot of time's it's not only cheaper but faster to adopt from a foreign country. Too much red tape in America
Plus you don't have to worry about liberal courts granting custody BACK to the birth parents years and years after legally giving up all rights to them.
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10/23/2008 11:29:55 AM
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Hi,I was looking for someone who owns one.
I think they are aborable,but how are they with children? Any info would be helpful please.Tracy 
Hi Tracy! I have a 9 month old male puggle. He is a beautiful and loving puppy. He seems to have more of the beagle in him. He is very active and playful. We are challenged with housebreaking him. It is my understanding that it could take 1-2 years before they are "housefriendly". I would recommend one. We also have a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. This is a great breed. Gentle, beautiful, sweet, playful, gets along with everything and everybody. This dog just wishes to please! You cannot go wrong with this breed. They are more mellow than the puggle. If you want an active playful breed, the puggle is the one! I found my puggle on puppyfinders.com. Good luck with your hunt.
Mark
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10/25/2008 6:18:19 AM
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Thats says a lot about why people are breeding these dogs. They're getting better returns on their money than I did on my stock sales.
yes!! unfortunately you are correct. here is an example....joe blow owns 12 large breed bitches. 6 are labs and 6 are golden retrievers...for example. with these 12 female breeders...joe will have an initial investment of around 6,000.00. he will pay this back to himself the first year. he will bring roughly (108 puppies) 54,000.00. he will spend around 4800.00 on dog food after coupons and rebate checks. he will spend just over 200.00 on vaccines and 100.00 on deworming. this will leave joe...48,900.00 before advertising costs...and the taxes?? he operates on a cash only basis....where can you get a return on your money in this magnitude?? nowhere!! drugs maybe!! but hey...thats illegal!! this is why the numbers keep going up and up and up. the economy is in complete turmoil, but people are still buying puppies. its sad but true. the amish people figured it out...they can make more on dogs than anything they can farm. retirees living on fixed incomes are cashing in...parents who want to stay home and raise their kids are cashing in...people on welfare and ss disability are cashing in...and people wanting a second income are cashing in....people who want to bank a savings are cashing in......this has been ongoing forever and will continue on...until...laws are set and carved in stone. now...double his stock....and joe will make close to 100,000.00 this year.
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erohner79
11/26/2008 11:33:27 AM
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You all need to watch the documentary on dogs and breeding PBS put out, it clearly notes how all dogs can be traced back to wolves and how they used dominate traits to create certain characteristics in dogs. Then, they began to cross breed these different types of dogs. So in all actuality all the types of breeds are some form of a mutt. I have three dogs, a black lab, a beagle, and a puggle, and the healthiest and the easiest one to train was the puggle. Just because not much is known about the breed because it is new does not mean people need to say we shouldn't do cross breeding (after all we cross breed as humans all the time - people of different races hello!!). My parents have a puggle to and again it's a great, smart, very healthy dog. My husband is a Vet Tech and even he has noticed that many of the cross breed dogs or "designer dogs" are more healthy (not to say there are not exceptions) than pure breeds. I agree with those that I am not for puppy mills or backyard breeding and the best thing as humans we can do for our canine friends is to adopt from a shelter, but to say we shouldn't have cross-breed dogs is going too far. What we shouldn't do is allow these pet stores and those who sell these pets to price them so ridiculously high and we definitely shouldn't be allowing just anyone to purchase a pet (that is why so many end up in shelters -- people can't take care of them and give them up or set them free to roam the streets). Don't hate the breed, hate the price tag, hate the irresponsible owners, but please don't hate the puggle. They are great dogs.
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