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lilmissktty
8/21/2005 11:01:20 PM
Posts: 448
It has appeared to me that many on this forum on posts concerning designer mutts some people feel we are against the mixed dogs other people feel they are against the breeder. So when people create mixed breed dogs who do we disapprove of the dogs or the breeders mating the dogs? I personallly feel that the breeders are to blame and not the poor dogs being bred. Lets hear it!
diggerkristin
8/22/2005 10:23:09 AM
Posts: 1195
ive never said much on this topic because im really on the fence when it comes to BYB's. i very much disagree with people mixing breeds just to make a buck. the majority of these breeders are puppy mills, mass producing these poors pooches for the morons out there who buy from them. but ive noticed that not only do you all bash mills(which is very understandable, and i agree with) but you also bash back yard breeders. I realize that some of byb's do things the wrong way, but there are people doing it the right way. i see nothing wrong with breeding 2 healthy, akc registered, of the same breed dogs. i bought kloe from a back yard breeder... they have 2 akc registered siberian huskies which they bred once (the litter which kloe was in) and they plan to breed one more time this fall. they have people already waiting for there pups and to me this is perfectly acceptable. bottom line: puppy mills=badbadBADbadbad, but byb's not always so bad.
tammyszoo
8/22/2005 10:42:26 AM
Posts: 20
There has been so many forums reguarding mixed breeds.. SHould there be shouldn't there be....So many comments about resuce shelters and that instead of a mix breed save a rescue shelter dog or puppy.....But the the fact is the People everyone should be upset with are the people that buy any dog purebred or mixed....That any pet is a HUGE responsibility. People get these pets for "their Kids" "Because my kids are all gone" or just "Because they are cute".... It is amazing that they forget that a pet is always dependent on it owner for food water attention etc. The biggest reason they end up in shelters is these people do not want the responsibility of a pet. They had no clue that a pet was so much work!!!!! There is no fix for this problem. It is very sad.
nothingbuttrouble
8/22/2005 10:45:50 AM
Posts: 84
Quote tammyszoo:
And the only thing we can do about it is be mad.... Because nothing we do or say will change anything. I really doubt there is anyone mad at the dogs for being born, how stupid is that?
mjanddobes
8/22/2005 10:52:37 AM
Posts: 563
It is not the fault of the dogs, it is the fault of the person who bred them.
lonita
8/22/2005 10:52:57 AM
Posts: 34
Quote lilmissktty:
I agree with you, it is the breeders not the dogs, they didn't ask to be bred or born. I am a breeder (as I'm sure most of you on this board are aware of by now) and I have Bostons, Pugs, Shibas & Frenchies and I would NEVER NEVER, NEVER mix any of them. I can't belive people would pay any money much less some of the prices I see them selling for for a mutt, a heinz 57, a mixed breed, whatever you want to call them. Accidents happen sometime, but to breed them on purpose is just WRONG. There is another site that I go to and they have a registry that advertises on there that registeres ANY mix if it isn't listed you can add it, and that just really infurates me. I wish they would take them off, to be able to register these mixes is another just WRONG. Oh well, just wanted to let you know that I and I'm sure many more people agree with you.
funnybunny
8/22/2005 11:16:53 AM
Posts: 5770
I have said a lot on this subject in the past and I am upset at the entire situation and the breeders, not at all the dogs. They have no control of themselves being born. They can't go get themselves spayed/neutered. I am also mad at the people that buy them. They say it's because that so called "breed" is the best they've ever had and some even make excuses saying they have had one before and want one just like their other. It's all bull. I don't even listen to any of it anymore. They're all irresponsible. It is not the dogs fault whatsoever. Poor things are being brought into this world day by day by day and can't control it so why in the world would it be their fault?
hobby21602
8/22/2005 11:50:38 AM
Posts: 715
Quote funnybunny:
4theloveofmycocker
8/22/2005 12:15:50 PM
Posts: 559
It is not at all the dogs fault, it is most definetly the breeders fault. I agree with Kristen, when she says that not all BYB are bad and puppymills are a big no no. Some BYB's may not do everything to the T but I believe that they eventually will build themselves up to higher standards once their breeding program grows. Mixing 2 different breeds on purpose is not a good thing in my opinion. As for the people buying a mixed breed on purpose is sometimes disturbing especially when the people want to buy because they think it's better than the two dogs that were originally crossed or that celebs buy them so I'll buy one too. In the instance that someone is purchasing a mixed breed or designer mutt they should be buying to have a great companion for themselves or their family. Mix-bred dogs should either be free or equal pay of adoption price from the shelter or a rescue. Not huge amounts of money.
highvoltageapbt
8/22/2005 3:59:32 PM
Posts: 29
The dogs dont choose to be bred. as far as BYB I try to stay away from that term becuase AR has basically made it a "dirty" word. As a guy who owns the anti peta forum I'm on says " BYB are FAMILIES" there is a difference between a miller who pumps out hundreds a day and a person who owns one dog and has the health testing done and thier dog is registered and is a good example of the breed (most "rescues" and ARAs would consider this a backyard breeder). If any of you are interested in joining the forum email me at highvoltageapbt@yahoo.com and I will give you a link it is a very educational list and opened my eyes to alot of things. I think some of you here would enjoy it over there.
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kayzhond
8/22/2005 4:58:28 PM
Posts: 837
Personally, I'm mad at the puppymillers and backyard breeders who purposely cross the dogs to begin with. After all, it's NOT the dogs who were born who were at fault nor asked to be born to begin with to be sold solely for profit.
8/22/2005 6:05:31 PM
its the breeders Im mad at
8/22/2005 6:17:14 PM
So it is agreed that we all feel equally bad for the dogs, and blame these mixes on the breeders ignorance or want to make money.
noskiveez
8/22/2005 6:31:21 PM
Posts: 5655
Quote kayzhond:
with you. There is no such thing as an accidental breeding, if someone wants to call it like that it's b/c they are not qualified to be breeding anything. No qualified breeder would allow a bitch in season to be anywhere a male dog, fixed or not fixed, unless they were intentionally breeding the dogs. with you Kayz
8/22/2005 7:24:27 PM
Quote noskiveez:
Accidents DO happen. I'm not talking so much about breeders, but people who get a dog then don't realize she is in heat and shes in the yard and the next thing you know you have a rott/shepard mix or whatever. All of the cockapoos, yorkipoos, labradoodles, etc. are NO accidents they are bred on purpose. Any breeder of registered dogs should keep the female in heat away from any male not to be bred with, that I agree with. When my females are in heat they come in the house and when I put them with the male I stay with them until they are finished then she comes back in the house until the next time and she stays in the house until she is out of heat. Like I posted previously I would NEVER mix any of my dogs.
goldengal
8/22/2005 11:27:02 PM
Posts: 832
The breeders. The dogs are doing what comes natural to them. If you know your female is in heat keep her away from all other males. It isn't that hard to tell when they're in heat. I'm sure Rocky will be going nuts when Sierra is in heat but that's tough. He is not going to be near Sierra.
gbat1stop
Moderator
8/23/2005 12:43:18 AM
Posts: 3835
How could you possibly blame the dog? The breeders are the ones who are responsible for mixing the two or more breeds to make a buck. Although accidents do happen, it is up to the owner to have their pet spayed/neutered or keep them safe while in heat. Mix breeds can make wonderful pets but I would never pay $1000's for an intentional mix breed.
doraexplorer
8/23/2005 8:15:01 PM
Posts: 53
Quote mjanddobes:
Sometimes it is not the owners fault. When a bitch goes in heat a male dog can smell her from a mile away. Even males that are fixed seem to smell her. But if the dog is caged or inside they have a better chance of not getting noticed and not getting mixed with another breed. But if they are not and are left in the backyard any dog can get in a breed her. I don't see what the problem is with mixed breed dogs they are good just like the rest.
shay05
8/23/2005 8:32:00 PM
Posts: 980
Well I agree with u there, its the breeders fault. Dogs are unable to specifically choose who they breed with, its just in their nature. Its one thing to have ur dog sneak out and have an unexpected litter (which can be avoided by spaying the the first place) but another thing to purposely crossbreed to create some sort of "fad". Alot of them, yes, are ADORABLE. But it should not happen.
scout1
8/23/2005 8:34:12 PM
Posts: 306
actually i put partial blame on the general public. there is no supply if there is no demand. and there is high demand for these designer mixes, especially tiny ones. but never, never blame the dogs.
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