| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 6:19:54 PM |
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Quote firstzerbegirl: Shouldn't have a Dog because I can't pay $22 for 20lbs...that a bit much... |
Again, it works out, do the math. (Don't you folks know how to do math?)
Yes, it "seems" expensive but if you even bother to work the numbers (yes, which can be tedious and "blah" to anyone who hates math) you'll find you're saving in the long-arund because your Dog You actually spend more in a year on commercial "junk" food because the Dog eats more of the less digestible food because all the fillers and by-products are so hard to resist. |
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/27/2005 7:14:16 PM |
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When you go out to pick a rose off a rose bush you will not have it without the thorns. All those other things are not actual roses. And tell me what I'm supposed to stop. I can't stop something if I don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
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| envypoodlecollection |
| Posted 7/27/2005 8:39:11 PM |
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I love it. A bit over a buck a pound for quality kibble is just "too much money to spend on my dog's health and well being." I think that just say it all!
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 9:32:59 PM |
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| Quote goldengal: When you go out to pick a rose off a rose bush you will not have it without the thorns. All those other things are not actual roses. And tell me what I'm supposed to stop. I can't stop something if I don't... |
Stop saying something as silly as you can't have the rose without the thorns as a reason NOT to feed holistic food. Yes, you can have the rose without thorns, according to Chemistry.
Again, the ingredient posted was rosemary extra, which has antioxidative properties comparable to those of BHA (Butylated hydroxyanisole) and BHT (Butylated hydroxytoluene) BUT acts as a natural preservative for the food rather than a chemical preservative for the food that's found in your low and middle quality Dog foods.
Not to mention, Rosemary Extract ISN'T actual roses either just like the other things I listed in my last post. Remember, extract means to draw or pull out; o derive or obtain [from] according to the The American Heritage Dictionary, 4th Edition. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 9:42:50 PM |
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Alright, look. If you're getting tired of hearing how the low quality and medium quality food you feed is truly "junk" food - stop posting to these kinds of threads. It's obvious all you'd rather do is argue a case for the "junk" food rather than educating yourself on holistic foods and BETTER yourselves as pet owners.
In addition, if you're not really going to ask good questions without making it seem like another excuse not feed the "holistic crud" you claim it to be THEN stop posting to these kinds of threads.
Please don't keep us from trying to educate others, ESPECIALLY those who ask to be educated with a serious consideration to actually switching from low and emdium quality foods to a higher quality, holistic or human grade food. After all, it's NOT fair to those folks given the fact they really dow ant to learn something and BETTER their dog's nutrition. |
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| harleydd |
| Posted 7/27/2005 10:03:09 PM |
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Quote envypoodlecollection: Well, at least you punctuated that last post.  Can't you find the shift key? LOL |
Envy get a freakin life, will ya.... seems you fight with everyone. WTF??? |
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| envypoodlecollection |
| Posted 7/27/2005 10:09:29 PM |
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Read the rest of the thread, harleydd. IT WAS A JOKE and kristin obviously "got it." |
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| harleydd |
| Posted 7/27/2005 10:19:11 PM |
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| Quote envypoodlecollection: Read the rest of the thread, harleydd. IT WAS A JOKE and kristin obviously "got it." |
ENVY i did just read 7 pages of this thread. You didnt know what else to say, so you said you made a joke. In your heart you know you weren't kidding. You were serious as all hell.
Stop the nonsense. Use your education for good and stop with all the criticism. Your an adult right? |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 10:24:11 PM |
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I can't stand it when I see your used in placed of you're. Why can't folks simply hit two more keys and make it you're, not your?   |
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| envypoodlecollection |
| Posted 7/27/2005 10:33:35 PM |
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I dont no wut your talkin abut, Keez?!!
Sure, harley. Whatever you say. |
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/27/2005 11:34:01 PM |
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| Quote Kayzhond: Alright, look. If you're getting tired of hearing how the low quality and medium quality food you feed is truly "junk" food - stop posting to these kinds of threads. It's obvious all you'd rather do is... |
Ok I just went through and reread it and I have to say you guys are right. Now do you have any idea how I can convice my brother to switch to a better food. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/28/2005 3:10:01 AM |
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| Quote goldengal: Ok I just went through and reread it and I have to say you guys are right. Now do you have any idea how I can convice my brother to switch to a better food. |
Maybe print it all out and have him read it through?
The one thing I've learned with this, in terms of having to convince my own family since they were the ones who used to buy the "junk" food, is that the better armed you are knowledge wise about holistic foods and how much better they are over the "junk" food then the better your chances are at winning your argument.
Solid Gold publishes a nice information packet about their food specifically. Of course it would appear to be propaganda but it is informative none the less. Go to http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ and click on 'CATALOGUE REQUEST' and request one in your name. Don't do the PDF thing, trust me. Just order one. It doesn't take long to actually get one.
Read up about holistic foods and then use that with everything here to get him to make the switch that way when he asks a question you can counter with a very precise answer to make him switch.
You've got to remember, most of what I and the other holistic feeders know about food has just become basic knowledge to us as we've gathered it over such a long period of time. In additon, we've learned it from reading books and catalogs in addition to ahving talked to a lot of other folks online who were holistic users long before we were.
To be honest, I owe it to so many others right now for making me see the truth with holistic foods. I have not regretted switching from the "junk" foods to something better. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/28/2005 3:25:29 AM |
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By the way, for everyone who's concerned with the money aspect and paying a lot but not gtetting a lot... Like I said, it's better to digest so they don't go through as much of the holistic foods like the "junk" food therefore the holistic food lasts longer.
One of the ladies on my KeesTalk discussion forum is a Kees breeder and she's been breeding for a very long time now. Nutrition is something she's been concerned about since before she got her Chow over 25 years ago.
She told the membership that as far as expense goes, she DOESN'T feel that Solid Gold and other holistic foods are much more expensive in the end because her adult dogs eat 1.5 cups of food a day and are thriving nicely on that while other Kees people are feeding up to 4 cups a day on other foods. So you see, buying and feeding your Dog holistic food truly is cheaper in the long-run.
In fact, you may just go ahead and find the KeesTalk thread 'Dog Foods: The Great Dog Food Debate' -http://keestalk.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~202.asp- of help to you when ti comes to the cold hard decision of actually switching to holistic and possibly even having to convince someone else in th long-run. (Hopefully, you'll read that too goldengal and print it out as well.) |
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| NoSkiveez |
| Posted 7/28/2005 4:53:22 AM |
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| Quote AnAsAzi: I agree... Geez, look how much our parents went without to get us (kids) the finer things in life.. at least my parents did.. My dogs are my kids.. I would go without to give them the best. If I had... |
No doubt, I'd go without whatever it is I wanted to give my kids and dogs (my other kids). And If all else failed I would make my own Dog food over giving that crapola to my dogs. Why buy a premium Dog and feed it anything less than premium quality Dog food? That's one thing I can't understand how people do. And I agree with you.
I hope one day people will understand they put crap in the get crap out (and lots more of it too). |
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| NoSkiveez |
| Posted 7/28/2005 5:06:57 AM |
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I watched a specail on Dog food a few years back, and it was about the animals being used to produce alot of these cheap Dog foods are being Euthanized (Blue Juiced) and then being processed into Dog food, the euthanasia that was injected into these animals is ground right up along with whatever animal being used to make the food. then you buy it feed it to your Dog and can't figure out why your Dog doesn't doesn't have a normal life expectancy. DUH! you've gradually Euthanized your Dog over a period of years. Euthanisia doesn't digest` and go away. It is stored in the liver!
If I was starving to death would I eat my dogs Dog food? Yeah! Would I eat beniful or ol" roy? Not a chance.
Have you ever looked up those big fancy words on the Dog food? Or shampoo bottles? Maybe you should. It might change your mind about alot of things!
Oh, and I'm 26 and I got bills up the ying yang too! Car paymnts, insurance this, vet that, keeping kids in name brand shoes for all of two weeks, my house at 1250 a month, food, eating out, fuel at 2.60 a gallon, electric at 360 a month because no one turns lights off or closes the door....but I still feed my dogs good food! Maybe those who can't afford a few xtra bucks for the food should do without the latte before work or a night at the club! |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/28/2005 5:40:32 AM |
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| Quote NoSkiveez: No doubt, I'd go without whatever it is I wanted to give my kids and dogs (my other kids). And If all else failed I would make my own Dog food over giving that crapola to my dogs. Why buy a premium dog... |
Since my 3 KeesKids and 2 cats have been on Solid Gold I've noticed less crap in the process. I used to have to deal with runny stools too on that "junk" food, not anymore., and it's such a blessing not to have to deal with runny stools too! I mean, who honestly likes to have to deal with runny stools? Huh?
Oh, and now that they're all on holistic food it makes it nicer to catch the crap coming out in a butter container so that I can get it to my vet for stool checks. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/28/2005 5:46:35 AM |
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"Oh, and I'm 26 and I got bills up the ying yang too! Car paymnts, insurance this, vet that, keeping kids in name brand shoes for all of two weeks, my house at 1250 a month, food, eating out, fuel at 2.60 a gallon, electric at 360 a month because no one turns lights off or closes the door....but I still feed my dogs good food! Maybe those who can't afford a few xtra bucks for the food should do without the latte before work or a night at the club!" - NoSkiveez
You betcha there's stuff I'd like to have right now, but you know what? Everytime I purchase Solid Gold, I don't feel bad that I gave up something (whatever that was) so that my pets can eat as nutritious as possible. In 30 years when I've been using holistic food long enough to see the REAL BENEFITS, I'm not going to have any regrets going without now. |
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| 4theloveofmycocker |
| Posted 7/28/2005 7:49:50 AM |
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I have a few questions. Upon you guys switching to a higher quality/holistic food how much of a decrease in poop did you see? Did you find that the defecation was more firm/loose? Also, on average if you feed your dogs twice per day are you seeing that your pups go two times or what? I'd really like to know such things so I'm not trying to be funny. |
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| lucylou2 |
| Posted 7/28/2005 8:14:28 AM |
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| Quote 4theloveofmycocker: I have a few questions. Upon you guys switching to a higher quality/holistic food how much of a decrease in poop did you see? Did you find that the defecation was more firm/loose? Also, on average if you... |
This is something that I actually have wondered myself so I can't wait to see the answer. My dogs only eat about twice a day. The bowl sits on the floor and they eat at their leisure, but it is filled once in the morning and once at night. Does it really make a difference in how much they poop? |
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| envypoodlecollection |
| Posted 7/28/2005 9:53:25 AM |
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I started with Iams many years ago. As a pup, Phillipe "wouldn't eat" anything better that I tried. When I started researching for more alternatives, I heard a lot about Costco's Kirkland Signature and made the switch without much thought. I wasn't aware of shipping options at that point for even better foods and wish I had been. My dogs ate a lot of kibble and produced a lot of waste on Signature, just like they did on Iams. After a go of that, we tried Royal Canin. I had a bunch of WILDly happy Poodles running around on it who produced less waste, but I still wasn't completely satisfied. I was cornered by a Nutro rep. one day in Petsmart and she convinced me to try Natural Choice Ultra. The dogs did better than ever on it, but I still wanted more for my money.
Innova has truly proven to be a far superior kibble. I've heard great things about it for years and finally decided it was time for us to give it a go. My Poodles are more balanced, mentally AND physically, than ever before. They look fantastic and eat surprisingly little considering their high activity level. They seem to love the taste, but many days they don't finish what I leave out for them. They poop less than ever before. Their stools are well formed, firm and moist.
Incredibly, since shortly after switching to Innova, MY MALTESE NO LONGER SUFFERS FROM ALLERGY SYMPTOMS. My mom has also switched her Shih Tzus to Innova from Royal Canin. Previously, her dogs had been eating various "junk" kibble from the places they'd come from. One of her dog's coat transformation (from wispy and brittle to full and lush) has been unbelievable. Her other dogs look awesome and are sharing the same results as my dogs as far as apetite and waste production. |
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