| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 7/26/2005 8:30:27 PM |
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To those feeding Purina, if price is the main concern....It would be cheaper to just buy a bag of cornmeal and make homemade cookies for them..Oh dont forget that fat boiled off of some boiled chicken and there ya go...thats whats in Purina foods.. ALL OF THEM, even Beneful; wheres the peas and the other veggies in thsi food.. Hhmmm False advertising I think...
Most people come to forums to either learn about a subject, educate others, or both.. I have never found so much ignorance on any forum such as this one.. Those that do not wish to take the advice given, thats fine, but you could actually learn something if you would read the website that I posted... you would better understand what is in the Dog food your feeding to your dog(s).
I'll continue to add my two cents as to what I consider a quality food VS a substandard food.. People need to know there are other Dog food options out there, besides the garbage that petsmart, walmart and the grocery stores offer. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 1:50:48 AM |
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| Quote PixiedustPapillons: Instead of berating a person for what they feed, it might be nicer to offer helpful suggestions that won't make them go broke feeding their dogs. And I do agree with some, that a loving home and any food... |
"Instead of berating a person for what they feed, it might be nicer to offer helpful suggestions that won't make them go broke feeding their dogs." -PixiedustPapillons
HELLO! You haven't read the entire thread, have you? We did do that!
We suggested to those folks to feed a holistic food on the lower end of the holistic line like Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul, which can be obtained at Pet Supplies Plus stores. Heck, even PetsMarts and PetCOs will carry Blue Buffalo and Back to Basics, which I consider to be a pretty good holistic foods.
The means are there, believe me. They just don't want to use the means. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 1:59:36 AM |
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I just had a KeesTalk member switch from Eukanuba to Eagle Pack. She said it was the best thing she's done with her dogs since she got them.
She says they love Eagle Pack over Eukanuba and are, in the process, getting a far better nutrition in their systems in the process.
If they're scred like goldengal is that their dogs WON'T eat that holistic "junk" then I have news for them:
I've NEVER met any Dog that refused to eat any kind of holistic food after having been switched from a low or middle quality food.
If you ask me, they're just making excuse after excuse as to why they won't switch to something healthier. We've presented all the fact, and, in the process, have been nice about how we've presented the facts to them. If any berating is going on it's not us "holistic" users doing it. It's the ones who are feeding the commercial food. Go back and re-read the thread carefully:
"Gang, Im SOO sick and tired of hearing about all you people who pick on us just because we don't feed the holistic crud." -focusonme
No one was "picking" on anyone because they don't feed the holistic foods. There's merely an attenpt to educate with facts, not pick.
Yes, I call low quality and middle quality foods "junk" food but that's because I know what's in them and know enough to know it's all just that - "junk" food - because I've taken the time to educate myself. Why can't they educate themselves on holistic foods before calling it "holistic crud"? These folks are merely lashing out without doing the educating. If they saw the light at the end of the tunnel then they'd truly see the holistic foods aren't "holistic crud". At least I take the time to educate myself about the "junk" fods they use before I make any comments.
"Just don't come crying on my shoulder because your dogs died because of the food. Another thing to remember is "Different things for different people." -goldengal
Again, another PRIME example of berating and not by any "holistic" user, but by a commercial "junk" food user who's NEVER even bothered to do any research on holistic foods that would even warrent a comment like that.
I can find far more than 3 Lab owners who can testify to the fact that, in their eyes, the "junk" food was to blame for liver cancer - especially when it comes to Science Diet. I've read numerous stories all over the net at otehr Dog forums about the "junk" food and liver cancer connection. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 2:15:01 AM |
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| Quote AnAsAzi: To those feeding Purina, if price is the main concern....It would be cheaper to just buy a bag of cornmeal and make homemade cookies for them..Oh dont forget that fat boiled off of some boiled chicken... |
By the way, if they're like foocusonme and are getting tired of hearing about the "holistic crud" and how their food is, in reality, "junk" food then they can avoid all the threads on that. PROBLEM SOLVED. Please don't keep us from educating others and, more specifucally, those who WANT to be educated about better pet food.
Not to mention, instead of calling it "holistic crud" perhaps they could counter with questions that would, in turn, just prove them wrong. Now there's an idea, go figure!  But, when you actually STOP to think about it, it's quite scary to those folks. HEAVEN'S FORBID THEY MAY JUST BE PROVED WRONG AFTERALL!  |
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| Honey143 |
| Posted 7/27/2005 5:13:40 AM |
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Ok i will add to this by just saying for those of you worried about the money issue, there are cheaper Dog food brands that are made of real meat and human grade ingredients, try Costo's Kirkland brand god food, which is ALOT cheaper than those commercial ones at your super market without the bi-products and use human grade ingridients. So even for those who don't have alot of money to spend all it takes is a little bit of research to find your Dog a human quality Dog food. And if you dont live near a costo or cant get to one they do sell the kikland brand online but most areas will have a costo i'm sure. So this is just a "tip" for all the excuses i hear about why people cant find good Dog food. Also there ARE better quality Dog foods sold at your pet stores also for about the SAME price as you pay for your Purina and Iams, and those include Natures Recipe, Natural balance, Nutro products, and others i cant remember at this moment. But there are better quality Dog foods for about the same price and sometimes you'd be suprised what you get for your money. Yes it "seems" like the organic Dog foods cost more but guess what? You dont have to feed AS much of it as the other Dog food brand and it also lasts you a few weeks longer so in the long run you dont have to buy it as often. I would go to this site if anyone here is interested in knowing what really is the difference in quality of supermarket brands Versus the organic or hollistic ones. Just please whenever you have some time or feel like reading check out this site all about Dog nutrtion and comparison on several Dog food brands and also alternative ones which are less expensive but still better quality.
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/
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| Honey143 |
| Posted 7/27/2005 5:20:14 AM |
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Also i dont see why anyone would try to deffend brands or argue about Dog nutrition saying that their dogs are doing "fine" on the lesser quality Dog food when the ingrdients there prove that its not human grade or contains any real meat or nutrients. I understand some may want to save the extra bucks, but it doesnt excuse people from just wanting to argue for the sake of argument because they dont want somone elses help on what is good to feed thier Dog or not. Afterall i thought we were here to do whats best for our dogs and to educate ourselves on how to BETTER take care of them, NOT argue just because you don't like somone saying bad things about a Dog food brand you might be fond of, even though it's not healthy for your dog. And many will argue well humans eat junk food too so why is it bad for our dogs too? I'll tell you guys why, because even WE do NOT eat junk food every single day for every single meal of the day for our entire lives, NOR would we allow our kids to eat it all the time unless in moderation. And people, MODERATION here is the important key factor. If you have nothing else avilable to you at the moment then feed what you have but if you can get better Dog food for about the same price or cheaper than why not owe that to your dogs if they are like your kids? If you want whats best for them you need to stop getting offended like this is about any of you, or your prefferences, because we're all about the dogs here. Am i not right?  |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 5:36:45 AM |
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"you dont live near a costo or cant get to one they do sell the kikland brand online but most areas will have a costo i'm sure. So this is just a "tip" for all the excuses i hear about why people cant find good Dog food. Also there ARE better quality Dog foods sold at your pet stores also for about the SAME price as you pay for your Purina and Iams, and those include Natures Recipe, Natural balance, Nutro products, and others i cant remember at this moment. But there are better quality Dog foods for about the same price and sometimes you'd be suprised what you get for your money." -Honey143
The thing is, we live in the "technological and transportation age". This isn't 1550 where you have to hook up a horse to a cart and travel across country now. And with the internet, everything is virtually at your fingertips. If a manufacturer like, Canidae
or Innova, for example don't sell to to people online through their websites THEN you can find plenty of online distributors to purchase from.
Not to mention, as I've been trying to point out, they can go to PetsMarts, PetCOs, and Pet Supplies Plus for lower end holistic foods like Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul, Blue Buffalo, and Back to Basics or, as you pointed out Nature's Recipe and still get the better nutrition WITHIN budget. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 5:41:03 AM |
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"Afterall i thought we were here to do whats best for our dogs and to educate ourselves on how to BETTER take care of them, NOT argue just because you don't like somone saying bad things about a Dog food brand you might be fond of" -Honey143
You hit the nail on the head. Learning how to take BETTER care of them ALSO means how to feed them BETTER food.
And sometimes feeding better doesn't always mean costing more either. I think we've proved that by showing them they can still do good with low end holistic foods and still stay in budget while giving better nutrition in the process. |
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| DIGGERkristin |
| Posted 7/27/2005 9:02:36 AM |
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yawn
didnt we finish this post already? |
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| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 7/27/2005 3:08:57 PM |
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If your done with the thread then why are you even posting?
this says it all..
Purina Dog Chow Complete Nutrition
Ingredient Name
1. Ground Yellow Corn
2. Poultry By-Product Meal
3. Corn Gluten Meal
4. Animal Fat
5. Brewer's Rice
6. Soybean Meal
7. Dicalcium Phosphate
8. Animal Digest
9. Calcium Carbonate
10. Barley Flour
11. Salt
12. Lysine
13. Brewer's Dried Yeast
14. Vitamins/Minerals
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Innova EVO Dog
Ingredient Name
1. Turkey
2. Chicken
3. Turkey Meal
4. Chicken Meal
5. Potatoes
6. Herring Meal
7. Chicken Fat
8. Natural Flavors
9. Egg
10. Garlic
11. Apples
12. Carrots
13. Tomatoes
14. Cottage Cheese
15. Alfalfa Sprouts
16. Dried Chicory Root
17. Taurine
18. Lecithin
19. Rosemary Extract
20. Vitamins/Minerals
21. Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms
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| DIGGERkristin |
| Posted 7/27/2005 3:12:32 PM |
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just to get comments like that.. thats why |
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| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 7/27/2005 3:59:57 PM |
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Its an imformative comment...
It goes to show ya that you should just buy some cornmeal and make your own doggie food... it would be more cost effective. Heck just throw your Dog a corncob everyday and theyre good to go.  Ya might get lucky and see some road kill on the way home from work.. Take that sucker home and boil it up.. Yummmm instant free meat by-products! Bon Appetite Chloe! |
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/27/2005 4:08:23 PM |
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Quote AnAsAzi: If your done with the thread then why are you even posting?
this says it all..
Purina Dog Chow Complete Nutrition
Ingredient Name
1. Ground Yellow Corn
2. Poultry... |
Garlic,Tomatoes, and cottage cheese. You wouldn't catch me feeding dogs that. You wouldn't catch me feeding myself that. If this a question on your Dog eating what you eat, sorry but ours aren't gonna be eating Innova. Yes if I had the choice I would change our dogs food to something better. But I don't have the choice and for me family loyalties run deeper than Dog food. |
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/27/2005 4:10:52 PM |
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Quote AnAsAzi: Its an imformative comment...
It goes to show ya that you should just buy some cornmeal and make your own doggie food... it would be more cost effective. Heck just throw your Dog a corncob everyday... |
Well wild dogs and wolves survive on dead, raw animals. And for the record Rocky loves corncobs. He will sniff chicken fat but he won't eat it. |
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| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 7/27/2005 4:50:26 PM |
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| Quote goldengal: Well wild dogs and wolves survive on dead, raw animals. And for the record Rocky loves corncobs. He will sniff chicken fat but he won't eat it. |
It goes to show that you havent read the article I posted either.. Otherwise you would know that the foul smell that knocks you over when you open a bag of Dog food is the boiled fat from the garbage is that is not fit for human consumption.. So yes, Goldengal, your Dog is eating fat.
For the record... wild animals hunt, kill and eat their prey immediately. Maybe you should try to catch a wild life show once in aawhile.. you might learn something.
So, the ingredients in the purina look better to you than the innova.. Hhmmm very interesting.
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/27/2005 5:10:50 PM |
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I never said that I thought it looked better. The main ingredients in Innova look better than the ones in Purina. But cottage cheese and tomatoes. I know some fruits are bad for dogs, have tomatoes, garlic, and cottage cheese been tested to see if they are bad for dogs. Before I try to convince my brother to change Dog foods, I want to hear both sides of the story and I want to hear the good and the bad because you can't have the rose without the thorns. |
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| PixiedustPapillons |
| Posted 7/27/2005 5:22:48 PM |
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You have found the key--no "one way" is perfect. Price and availability are both considered along with quality as balancing factors in what people choose to feed.
Most house dogs do indeed eat things they may find outside that are long dead, much to the disgust of the owners. Cottage cheese is good and recommended for pregnant females and nursing. Garlic has recently been shown to cause some upset and is not currently thought of as a good thing to feed. Tomatoes and potatoes are from the nightshade family and are NOT recommended (even though our paps love to have a french fry or potato chip once in a while when they watch tv with us). Our dogs will eat corn right out of the garden. As well as broccoli or cabbage. Fat is esential to a dog's diet--dogs do not digest the same as humans and a higher fat diet can improve skin and coat and overall health. When we cook chicken beef or pork for our dogs, the fat is always included.
This same argument can be made about fresh over processed Dog food, as some are ardent proponents for fresh only.Some fresh food added daily helps replace enzymes lost in the processing--so even the highest price processed food is still lacking. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 6:11:46 PM |
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"Garlic has recently been shown to cause some upset and is not currently thought of as a good thing to feed. Tomatoes and potatoes are from the nightshade family and are NOT recommended (even though our paps love to have a french fry or potato chip once in a while when they watch tv with us)." -PixiedustPapillons
Please tell me where you found the information on garlic.
Tomatoes and Potatoes ARE okay to give a dog. The plants themselves are what you really wnat to avoid and keep them from ingesting. In addition, skins of white potatoes including the eyes of the potatoe shouldn't be fed raw because they contain solanine, which is poisonous. However, the actual potato itself is okay to give the dog.
Not to mnetion, did goldengal even realize the ground yellow corn and soybean meal have been found to be major contributors to allergy problems in a lot of dogs? All the more reason NOT to feed Purina Dog Chow.
As for tomatoes and potatoes, they've been found to, at times, aggravate arthritic conditions. However, the fact that they ACTUALLY do is far and few inbetween and most pets that eat foods with tomatoes and potatoes are just fine and won't find their arthritis aggravated.
Where do some of you folks get your information on Dog food ingredients?
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| firstzerbegirl |
| Posted 7/27/2005 6:14:41 PM |
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| Quote Angelcare: So let's see most people spend about $400 or more a month on food for themselves. And you are complaining about the price of Dog food? When is the last time you got 20lbs of food for $22.00? If you... |
Shouldn't have a Dog because I can't pay $22 for 20lbs...that a bit much... |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/27/2005 6:17:10 PM |
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"I want to hear both sides of the story and I want to hear the good and the bad because you can't have the rose without the thorns." - goldengal
Will you STOP that! Yes, you can! Everytime you buy a bottle of rose perfume, a bar of rose soap, a squeezable of rose body wash THEN you're buying it WITHOUT the thorns.
Besides, the ingredient posted was rosemary extra, which has antioxidative properties comparable to those of BHA (Butylated hydroxyanisole) and BHT (Butylated hydroxytoluene) BUT acts as a natural preservative for the food rather than a chemical preservative for the food that's found in your low and middle quality Dog foods.
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