| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/22/2005 10:05:37 AM |
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Someone here is actually feeding their Dog Beneful. Sorry, Beneful by Purina is "junk" food.
The main ingredients are ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal. Do you know what chicken by-product is?
According to the AAFCO, it consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices.
Chicken by-products are much less expensive and less digestible than the chicken muscle meat. The ingredients of each batch can vary drastically in ingredients (heads, feet, bones etc.) as well as quality, thus the nutritional value is also not consistent. Don't forget that by-products consist of any parts of the animal OTHER than meat. If there is any use for any part of the animal that brings more profit than selling it as "by-product", rest assured it will appear in such a product rather than in the "by-product" dumpster.
Not to mention corn gluten? Corn gluten is a different matter. "Gluten" is the protein part of a grain (some grains have more than others, as many gluten-intolerant people can tell you) and is often used as a protein filler in cheap food products. You will find that most products that contain corn gluten as a main ingredient don't have particularly high quality meat sources either.
And if you think chicken by-product's bad we won't go into animal digest, which is also in Beneful.
Dried peas, dried carrots are also bad ingredients.
Seriously, would you eat Purina Beneful yourself? |
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| DIGGERkristin |
| Posted 7/22/2005 11:29:55 AM |
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no i wouldnt eat beneful because im not a dog.. and i also wouldnt eat any of your high class Dog foods either. my dogs are healthy, happy and perfectly normal. dont worry, the corn gluten hasnt caused any defects. you seem to have way to much time on your hands.. i think you spend more time in a day writing nasty novel length posts about your neverending Dog knowledge than you do with your dogs. |
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| 4theloveofmycocker |
| Posted 7/22/2005 11:41:59 AM |
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This is funny! Stick to you guns!    |
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/22/2005 12:15:45 PM |
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| Quote DIGGERkristin: no i wouldnt eat beneful because im not a dog.. and i also wouldnt eat any of your high class Dog foods either. my dogs are healthy, happy and perfectly normal. dont worry, the corn gluten hasnt caused... |
I agree. Our dogs are healthy, energetic, and loving. Kazyhond, You may have enough money to pay 100 dollars for 20 lbs of Dog food. Not everyone can do that. And like Kristin I wouldn't eat any Dog food. And the chicken by-products, What do stray dogs and wolves eat. They eat raw meat, I'm sure they don't just pick out the meat and leave the rest. |
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| animalluver8 |
| Posted 7/22/2005 12:42:54 PM |
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I feed my dogs Iams. They are all healthier than ever and full of energy. They like their Dog food, and I do add real meat.(dogs do need it) Is there something extremely wrong with this? |
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| DIGGERkristin |
| Posted 7/22/2005 1:11:04 PM |
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| Quote animalluver8: I feed my dogs Iams. They are all healthier than ever and full of energy. They like their Dog food, and I do add real meat.(dogs do need it) Is there something extremely wrong with this? |
not at all
like you said they are healthier than ever and full of energy.. what more could u ask for? |
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| shikonjewl |
| Posted 7/22/2005 1:24:10 PM |
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you go girl ^.^ |
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| mjansel |
| Posted 7/22/2005 1:28:34 PM |
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Most people who are seriously into their dogs and compete at some level with them are also seriously into nutrition. I don't think that there is a single kibble you could buy at the grocery store that is truly a quality feed.
While some "dog people" take it a bit far, the health of our dogs pretty much speaks for itself. In addition, some people may think that we spend a fortune on these high end kibbles, but for the most part the cost difference is minimal. I pay approx $22 for a 20lb bag of California Natural Chicken and Rice. Then most of the employees at the feed store I go to give me the 10% breeder discount even though I am not yet a breeder. I have referred a lot of people to them and give them a lot of business - they appreciate it. On top of that, my dogs eat less of the premium kibble because there are fewer fillers in it and their nutritional needs are met with less food. An added benifit is that they poop less.
If whatever is on sale at the grocery store is what you can afford to feed than do it, but nutrition is a big thing to many of us and we have seen the benefits of it over and over again in intangibles like ... fewer trips to the vet and better overall health and longevity. I can pretty much guarantee you that those beautiful healthy looking dogs in the pet food ads on TV probably don't eat what they are advertising. |
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| goldengal |
| Posted 7/22/2005 1:36:57 PM |
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$22 for 20 lbs!!!!! For our dogs we pay about $15 for 50 lbs. I cannot imagine my brother paying that much for that small of amount. |
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| 4theloveofmycocker |
| Posted 7/22/2005 1:50:56 PM |
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We are an Iams family and thus far haven't had any issues. My breeder has champions over champions and they are Iams babies as well. I've read that such natural foods don't have to follow FDA guidelines, the same is for organic human foods. So there's no standard. I've thought about switching to a different brand that was supposed to be more natural but I would have gotten less in my bag for more money than what I pay for my Iams puppy food. |
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| gbat1stop |
| Posted 7/22/2005 1:52:39 PM |
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**I can pretty much guarantee you that those beautiful healthy looking dogs in the pet food ads on TV probably don't eat what they are advertising.**
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I would bet my last dollar they aren't. Just like the models for Suave shampoo, get real they have never used Suave in their life.
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| animalluver8 |
| Posted 7/22/2005 3:12:21 PM |
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| Quote mjansel: Most people who are seriously into their dogs and compete at some level with them are also seriously into nutrition. I don't think that there is a single kibble you could buy at the grocery store that... |
You are right. I actually am getting more into nutrition since I am planning on competing later. For now though I feed Iams and add meat to my dogs food. This brand is vet reccomended and a well balanced diet--we have had no problems so far with it.
What I DO NOT reccomend though is brands like Purina, Pedigree, and definitely not store brand Dog foods. The main ingredient in all those is usually corn meal, which is not suitable for a canine's diet. Many people feed their dogs Chicken, beef, and natural grains which are supposed to be extremely healthy for the dog. When I try to talk my friends into feeding their dogs "real" food (most of them feed their dogs Pedigree or Purina Dog chow)they look at me like i'm crazy and say, "She's just a dog. This food is made for dogs." |
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| Hobby21602 |
| Posted 7/22/2005 4:49:33 PM |
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| Quote DIGGERkristin: no i wouldnt eat beneful because im not a dog.. and i also wouldnt eat any of your high class Dog foods either. my dogs are healthy, happy and perfectly normal. dont worry, the corn gluten hasnt caused... |
I'm gonna have to  with ya! |
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| Angelcare |
| Posted 7/22/2005 5:20:41 PM |
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So let's see most people spend about $400 or more a month on food for themselves. And you are complaining about the price of Dog food? When is the last time you got 20lbs of food for $22.00? If you really cared about your pet you wouldn't try to skimp and save on something as important as food by buying whetever is cheapest "because it's just a dog". If you think of your Dog that way maybe you shouldn't have one. |
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| Angelcare |
| Posted 7/22/2005 5:24:37 PM |
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Forgot to mention all of the animal testing done by the companies like Iams and Pedigree...
What exactly are they testing for? I think we know what dogs eat. Maybe they are testing to see how much cheap crap they they can put into their food before it seriously affects the health of the animal... |
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| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 7/22/2005 5:33:51 PM |
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Maybe the companies are checking to see how much road kill, and diseased meat a Dog can ingest before it shows signs of an allergy or worse... deaths door.
To those of you who can not comprehend the higher price for premium Dog food... The end result is that it costs about the same as feeding 3 cups a day of the cheapo brands cuz your Dog will eat far less of the premium brand.. More food value in the premium brands, therefore they need less food. |
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| NoSkiveez |
| Posted 7/22/2005 5:43:41 PM |
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Quote Kayzhond: Someone here is actually feeding their Dog Beneful. Sorry, Beneful by Purina is "junk" food.
The main ingredients are ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal. Do you know what... |
I wouldn't feed my dogs that yucko food. I buy premium Dog food. I pay more for it, I can understand someone not being able to afford paying a dollar per lb for food. when I was having financial hardship, I went without things for myself in ordr to feed my dogs quality food. I'd pack a luch rather than buy a lunch that would cost me 8 bucks. I might be weird or what ever, but it is 8 bucks that could have been spent on the dogs.
Considering some cant pay for good Dog food for their dogs....It makes me wonder if they are enjoying cable tv programming, cell phones, using an isp that isn't free... these things are luxuries, so is having a dog. Why not feed it like it is a luxury? with you on this subj. |
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| AnAsAzi |
| Posted 7/22/2005 5:46:11 PM |
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Quote NoSkiveez:
I wouldn't feed my dogs that yucko food. I buy premium Dog food. I pay more for it, I can understand someone not being able to afford paying a dollar per lb for food. when I was having financial hardship,... |
I agree... Geez, look how much our parents went without to get us (kids) the finer things in life.. at least my parents did.. My dogs are my kids.. I would go without to give them the best. If I had kids, I would do the same. |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/22/2005 7:21:28 PM |
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| Quote mjansel: Most people who are seriously into their dogs and compete at some level with them are also seriously into nutrition. I don't think that there is a single kibble you could buy at the grocery store that... |
100 dollars for 20 lbs of Dog food??? HARDLY! I pay approximately $20.75 for 15 LBS and $38.95 for 33 LBS. You don't see a bother paying that kind of money for such a small amount, but what you fail to even consider or realize is that it's MORE COST-EFFECTIVE in the long-run. dogs don't eat a lot of holistic food because it dogests better than Purina Beneful and the other middle and low quality foods. Because it digests and they consume less that means you're spending less on continually buying a holistic food than you'd be in buying soemthing like Purina Beneful. By buying Purina Beneful, you're actually spending mroe money than saving. Then again, I guess many people out there like to waste money nowadays than save something.
I recently bought 2 4 LB bags of Katz-n-Flocken Cat Food (lamb) for $7.94 instead of buying my usual 7 LBS of Purina Cat Chow for $7.99 and I can tell you that the 2 bags of Solid Gold will last me much longer than that 7 LB bag of purina Cat Chow lasted me because it's a fact my cat is eating less since it's far better to digest. Think of the money I'm saving. I've already had the 2 bags of Solid Gold cat food for over a month now and have used not even used up half of one bag yet! However, if I was still using Purina Cat Chow with Gwenyth I'd be be halway if not more than halfway through the bag. She went through Purina Cat Chow like it was nothing. I guess all those fillers and by-products along with the chemical preservatives made her continually hungry for it. I'm glad my pocketbook is taking less of a hit now.
Seriously, don't you guys actually want it to be more cost-effective in the long-run or do you like spending money on the "junk" food like that and see extra money go to that when it could go to something better? |
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| Kayzhond |
| Posted 7/22/2005 7:41:48 PM |
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| Quote DIGGERkristin: no i wouldnt eat beneful because im not a dog.. and i also wouldnt eat any of your high class Dog foods either. my dogs are healthy, happy and perfectly normal. dont worry, the corn gluten hasnt caused... |
I wouldn't eat Beneful period. However,I'd be more inclined to actually eat the Solid Gold if I did wind up having to eat Dog and cat food.
That's fine if you want to think I have way too much time on my hands. To be honest, it doesn't seem like you have enough time on your hands.
I surprises me how some people who feed low and middle quality food just don't care to learn that there is better. Nor do they care that the chemical preservatives like BHA and BHT, for example, is actually banned from human use in many countries but still permitted in the US despite the fact that they're a possible human carcinogen. Nor do they care that BHA and BHT were proven to be carcinogenic in animal experiments and it should be noted that the oxidative characteristics and/or metabolites of BHA and BHT may contribute to carcinogenicity or tumorigenicity. That's such a sad, sad, sad fact of life that they just don't care they're giving their Dog chemicals that every other country has basically banned for human and pet use because of the contributions to carcinogenicity and tumorigenicity. |
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