| 5doglover |
| Posted 4/10/2008 9:25:04 AM |
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I was shocked by the Oprah show.I was raised Amish years ago in Honey Brook Pa.I have been to Pa. many times.I had no idea some of the Amish treat dogs this way.This was not my experience growing up.My Dad always treated his animals very well.We always had a pet Dog that was well fed and loved.The Amish I knew for the most part were kind decent people.Their were two Amish farmers in recent years that my Dad just did not like and guess what they were not nice to their animals.It just goes to show if you mistreat animals you will not be a nice person.Most of the Amish I know would not treat an animal with such abuse.It's sad that some have stooped so low to make money. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/10/2008 10:54:03 AM |
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 unfortunately there are some groups out there that believe that dogs are a farm animal and will treat them as such!! you can thank usda for this misuse and abuse!! |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 4/10/2008 11:45:36 AM |
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The Amish I knew where good people but if the animal didnt have a purpose then it wasnt one that got fed or was around unless it was retired.
Its just a different point of view, some would say that cows, goats, horses etc all deserve the same compassion that dogs do, yet we all love our burgers and steaks.
Since foo foo has no purpose other than to breed thats what they do. The world is way ahead of the way they live life and they still have to keep up as far as expences, they have to pay taxes and such also and since theres not much export other than food crops the money is very good money to them, more than chickens or turkeys, and with grain prices down except corn its hard.
Not that Im in agrence with the way they do things but trying to give their point of view. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/10/2008 11:52:28 AM |
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Yes our wonderful government thought it was a good idea for Puppies to be a new cash crop back in the 60's when many farmers were struggling. Did you know they actually give grants to help some of these millers.
There have been several specials done on this topic over the years and sadly little has changed. If the truth be told there is much profit to be had by many and it's just a disgrace that a Dog can be subjected to such misery and it's all legal and, or, when violations are found little is done. There are also many states that are unregulated and the explosion of internet sales is helping this industry proliferate. |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 4/10/2008 1:25:31 PM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: Yes our wonderful government thought it was a good idea for Puppies to be a new cash crop back in the 60's when many farmers were struggling. Did you know they actually give grants to help some of these... |
I actually thought it was illegal until I saw the show, but I had no idea they could recieve grants. Yet most rescue organizations are non-profit, don't have space and have to euthanize so many animals a year. I just don't get the governments priority list. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/10/2008 1:44:46 PM |
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The government makes money off the industry, sadly that is their priority, that and the fact that they see dogs as a commodity too. It is private public contributions that are helping expose and try to crack down on the mills for the most part.
Some of the violations are illegal but not enforced by the inspectors. |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 4/10/2008 2:20:22 PM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: The government makes money off the industry, sadly that is their priority, that and the fact that they see dogs as a commodity too. It is private public contributions that are helping expose and try to... |
How can they determine which violations are illegal and should be dealt with? If they allow dogs to be 'cash crop' to begin with, I don't think there is too much else they would find illegal. It is so sad. I can't imagine dogs live very long lives at all in those conditions, which is probably a good thing for the poor females. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/10/2008 2:54:21 PM |
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| Quote littlemissmom_23: How can they determine which violations are illegal and should be dealt with? If they allow dogs to be 'cash crop' to begin with, I don't think there is too much else they would find illegal. It is so... |
They are supposed to determine it by the standards they have in place such as cage size, condition of the cages, feces, urine, and debris build up, medical care, etc. etc. Did you know the millers have to provide an excercise plan if a Dog is alone in a cage, if they are not alone no excercise plan needed wow. Usually they are just given a slap on the wrist and given ample time to make corrections while the dogs have to continue to live that way.
As Oprah's show pointed out the females have it the worst. One high tech miller in my area has his kennels set up so no one but the occasional employee has to stop by to clean up etc. With self feeding and watering systems they can go a long time without even touching the dogs. He makes a very nice living
off his business and lives elsewhere.
He does offer his old and ex breeders for $50 to rescue...how nice. His kennel is also open to the public by appointment to pick out a puppy in the puppy room. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/10/2008 2:57:31 PM |
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| Quote littlemissmom_23: How can they determine which violations are illegal and should be dealt with? If they allow dogs to be 'cash crop' to begin with, I don't think there is too much else they would find illegal. It is so... |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 4/10/2008 4:05:45 PM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: They are supposed to determine it by the standards they have in place such as cage size, condition of the cages, feces, urine, and debris build up, medical care, etc. etc. Did you know the millers have... |
When my dads Pom was alive he was dead set on breeding her. She was a beautiful dog, I think the most gorgeous, perfect Pom I have ever seen. People often asked why he didn't show her. Anyway, I tried to convince him not to do it but he was thinking about the money. People were actually giving him their phone numbers in case she ever had a litter. So I figured if he was going to do it, it should have been done somewhat right. I found a lot of good ckc recognized kennels that offered stud services, with a lot of conditions on the litter etc. Unfortunately my dad found a woman on a farm a couple hours away who offered a stud service for really really cheap. I went out with him when he dropped the Dog off. I cried when I realized after seeing her place he was still going to leave the Dog there for even a few days. It was as bad as seen on Oprah but a lot smaller. This woman had Chihuahuas living outside in 6 inches of mud and it was sooo cold. She had indoor pens with a small heat lamp in each, enough to keep a lizard warm. She had 80 dogs - not including Puppies. all small breed. She rotated 12 dogs at a time were in the house and her house was just as bad as her yard. It smelled of urine and she had a litter of Japanese chin Puppies in her kichen, a chi litter in a rabbit hutch, and another chi litter in a small crate up on a shelf. She had a few parrots whose cages were sickly full of feces and way too small. The male to be bred to our Dog was just as small and absolutely gorgeous but so timid and shaky. Dads Dog didn't catch 3 times then she passed away. When Dad wanted another Pom he called this woman thinking she would give him a deal and her phone was disconnected. She is no where to be found. I am thankful because I know someone complained and she was investigated and shut down. If only they all turned out like this. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/10/2008 6:10:19 PM |
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 dad is the one to blame here and no one else. he went, he saw, he left her there. why?? im sure you know the answer. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/10/2008 6:21:02 PM |
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Are you saying the Pom never got pregnant, but you got her back and then she passed? If you think about it the byb and hobby breeders who don't have spay/nueter contracts also contribute greatly to the problem as people are easily given the idea and free reign to start their own "breeding programs" which is why all the talk of mandatory speutering now. |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 4/10/2008 11:31:40 PM |
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It took a long time for me to forgive my dad for that. She was so tiny too, only 4 lbs at best. She passed away about 6 months ago due to an infection on her uterus. Actually she was euthanized as even the vet was at a loss and she hadn't eaten in so long and threw up even small amounts of water. Autopsy came back with the cause of death. I personally think if he would have left well enough alone, she would still be here. She was not meant to be bred, as many dogs aren't. But my dad was seeing dollar signs when people started giving him their number in case she ever had a litter. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/11/2008 12:03:42 AM |
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Sorry to hear that, how old was she? They are great little dogs except for the barking...I think mine is perfect. Of course any Dog would grow on me if I got to know it. |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 4/11/2008 12:54:51 AM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: Sorry to hear that, how old was she? They are great little dogs except for the barking...I think mine is perfect. Of course any Dog would grow on me if I got to know it. |
She was only 5 yrs old. She was my Dog first. A guy I used to date surprised me with her as a gift, shortly after I graduated high school I moved out and couldn't bring her with me so I gave her to my dad. I wanted to show her but didn't have the time or knowledge on the subject. I wish I could have kept her myself. |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/11/2008 10:13:30 AM |
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however sadly true this may be about the amish, i know of some very fine mennonite breeders.the Puppies are very well kept.clean,socialized,well fed and where they are kept is also very clean,well ventilated and overall very nice.i know this is proably not the case with every mennonite but the ones i've seen treat their pups and dogs very well. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 4/11/2008 5:43:29 PM |
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The Amish treat animals-- all animals like they are livestock. Those puppymill dogs are not pets, any more than the chickens that they eat. This is a cultural thing.
Current mainstream American culture is to almost value dogs and cats more than children. More people were outraged about the Michael Vick thing than the Michael Jackson thing.
There culture and religious beliefs aren't the same as ours. They obviously segregate their lives from mainstream America and this is one issue where you can really see the differences.
I liken it to the Chinese culture that eat dogs. You can't really 'blame them', any more than Hindu's can BLAME OUR CULTURE FOR EATING SACRED COWS.
I hope puppymills are stopped, they are terrible for too many reasons to list..... but there are terrible things going on all over the world, all the time. To humans and animals alike.
Where does everyone think your milk and eggs come from? Every time you buy a dozen eggs or a gallon of milk you are contributing to the incredible suffering of animals in COMMERCIAL FACILITIES.
We won't even get in to those used for meat.
It is okay for those animals to suffer because it suits our needs?
Why are dogs and cats the only privileged animals in our culture? |
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