| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:43:25 AM |
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do you just change to raw food over night i have a chiauau i am going to get a Boxer or bulldog after i move to my new house my beagles stayed with my parents but they wanted to keep them my step dad loves the girls but anyway i want to now all about raw feeding and is it ok for a small breed puppy please tell me everything |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:26:27 AM |
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I would be hard to tell you everything in one sitting, I have been doing this for three years and, well Im still learning about natural rearing, the raw diet is pretty simple.
I did drop kibble overnight with my dogs but they have always ate raw meat as treats. Raw foods because they digest easier and dont take as long will 9 times out of 10 give your dogs the runs the fist day or two if you have never gaven them anything but the same kibbles. With dogs that have had no varriety in their diets it is advised to give them small chunks of meat as treats for a few days before taking the kibble up. Chicken wings are a great started because they are small and the bones are really easy to crunch, most dogs that have never had anything other than the same kibble may not take to it at first and you may have to pan sear it, but dont cook the bones, they should be just as cold as when you take them out of the fridge.
I have a varriety of sized dogs and cats, from almost 200 to alittle over 5lbs and no one has a problem. Of couse common sense is to be used, even though I have had a small Dog eat chicken leg quarters i prefer to half a cornish hen for them and they get the smaller neck bones and the only ones to really get ox tails. Its actually a bit more in depth to feed the little guys sometimes.
A grown Dog should eat about 4% of their body weight but thats to be determend by the Dog itself as each will be different. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:31:36 AM |
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Its the same for people, some can stay fat or thin off air, some live on junk food and are itty bitty.
Organ meats are vital and are fairly easy to find. Livers, gizzards, hearts (which double as muscle) and tripe, the tripe at the stores is not good for dogs, you have to buy it from some one selling it for dogs. Varriety is the key to a raw diet.
Chances are I know of a distributer or can find one for you for the tripe and organs, i get mine in a nice little pack that includes a varriety of beef organs that doesnt look gross or smell too bad, the tripe will smell like cow poo but is vital.
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:43:03 AM |
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nd helped me alot with questions i had about raw feeding.my corgi is only about 22-24 lbs.i am now (except for a couple of biscuits) switched over to raw.she did have couple days of poops but is really good now.i did it gradually (but that was just me) it takes a little more time and effort(at least on my part) but it seems like she is doing much better,more energy(as if a puppy needs it)and just seems better all around.i know my Dog is only one exAmple but i consider her small and it worked out well for her.good luck |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:02:51 AM |
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Im glad its working out for you. When starting raw its like a human eating rice for a month then eating a steak, but the dogs digestive systems adapt very quickly, I dont know who started the dogs should have only one kind of food their whole lives but I disagree with my whole being, if we ate the same food every day then switch then of course we are going to get upset, but that doesnt mean IM going to eat people kibble all my life, I have a wide varriety in my diet and I very rarely get any issues.
And that brings me to another point, when starting with a new Dog only use one meat type, wait a few days on the organs until it is able to handle the food.
If you ever see a Dog detox that will make you never want to feed kibble again.
the corgie is probably already blowing its coat but you will notice a better coat when its finished.
The energy will average out, after all your not giving him a high source of sugars, so it will be more of a constant amount rather than the short burst. |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:07:02 AM |
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| Quote naturaldane: Im glad its working out for you. When starting raw its like a human eating rice for a month then eating a steak, but the dogs digestive systems adapt very quickly, I dont know who started the dogs should... |
i don't really care about the energy,but her little buddy is,he gets real tired after awhile,but they still play.but just ouyt of curiosity, what is blowing a coat, i mean i haven't noticed any change in her fur or anything |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:19:08 AM |
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Corgi's shed and normally this time of year they are loosing their winter coats and so its even worse, some dogs will do this just by changing over as the newer better coat will come through and push the old unhealthy coat out. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:30:03 AM |
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what do you mean by detox and i can cut little pieces of steak as treats at first right she is tiny 11 weeks old and 1lb 4 oz i dont want to hurt her in any way and thanks for the help and chicken bones for dogs i have never heard it is ok for dogs |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:34:29 AM |
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| Quote naturaldane: Corgi's shed and normally this time of year they are loosing their winter coats and so its even worse, some dogs will do this just by changing over as the newer better coat will come through and push the... |
oh ok that makes sense.when i brush her i notice a larger amt of hair coming out but no bald spots or anything.i guess that could also explain why sometimes she just flops over in the grass and rolls /rubs her back on the grass. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:20:40 PM |
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| Quote maligirl1: oh ok that makes sense.when i brush her i notice a larger amt of hair coming out but no bald spots or anything.i guess that could also explain why sometimes she just flops over in the grass and rolls /rubs... |
Lol is it the term "blowing the coat" that's freaking you out? Peanut blew his coat around Xmas...lots and lots of hair everywhere, but you couldn't notice a difference looking at his coat. I think next time around I will have him professionally groomed to get rid of some of it beforehand. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:37:06 PM |
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| Quote bigdogg233576: what do you mean by detox and i can cut little pieces of steak as treats at first right she is tiny 11 weeks old and 1lb 4 oz i dont want to hurt her in any way and thanks for the help and chicken bones... |
Raw chicken bones are safe its the cooked ones you cant feed.
I would start out with chicken personally or turkey.
I had a 2.5 lb boston 6 week old puppy devour a whole chicken quarter, it wasnt by choice as I fed it to her mother and she stole it and dared any one to come near.
With your Dog being that tiny I would give her ox tails to chew on you can find them at super markets and they are kinda expensive but not so bad for little dogs. Chicken wings, chicken backs would be great for her, look in the generic type food stores. its going to require being a bit creative, and im going to get ragged for saying this but it may be better to start her off on a pre made raw diet then wean her onto a real raw diet when she gets a bit bigger, that or feed her powdered egg shells, I put mine in a processer then bake for an hour then they powder out nicely, allot more work though.
You have to balance meat and bone, you shouldnt serve one without the other. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:46:53 PM |
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but i could give bones and meat as treats at first i just want to make sure i am going to talk to a breeder who breeds boxers and she raw feeds also but i wanted to start it like treats at first is that ok |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:48:19 PM |
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yeah at first, i just never heard that term before.but now that it was expalined,it makes sense. |
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| boswer |
| Posted 4/3/2008 5:50:57 PM |
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Quote naturaldane: Raw chicken bones are safe its the cooked ones you cant feed.
I would start out with chicken personally or turkey.
I had a 2.5 lb boston 6 week old puppy devour a whole chicken quarter, it wasnt by... |
Raw chicken bones are not safe. If you want to follow this advise than you risk your dogs life. I don't have the time or patience to goggle the dangers. Just because one Dog does well doesn't mean all will. I know one lady a close friend that lost her Newfie to a raw turkey neck after 5 years of raw feeding. Are you willing to chance that?
Here is just one story (one example of many)
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Well sir, our family Dog years ago ate a chicken leg bone and got choked on it. We finally got it unstuck after several seconds. Scared my parents to death. Like you said, this Dog was well loved. Anyway, I think the main threat is that a chicken bone will splinter when the Dog chews it. Don't know about the digestive part of it, our Dog coughed most of it back up. I wish your pup the best.
Yeah, that's kind of what I read is that the biggest danger is WHILE they are in the process of eating/chewing it. And of course raw bones are far more dangerous than cooked bones. Luckily these were cooked by The Colonel.
I was scared to death at first as well, I thought for sure he was as good as dead. Now I'm more just worried about the pain he'll go through with constipation.
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 6:48:30 PM |
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| Quote boswer: Raw chicken bones are not safe. If you want to follow this advise than you risk your dogs life. I don't have the time or patience to goggle the dangers. Just because one Dog does well doesn't mean all... |
I find it odd that you would post things like this however then again looking.. never mind.
Can anyone say any food is safe? dogs get choked on kibbles, kibbles cause bloat, bad teeth and a list of other problems yet are considered safe. Dog foods where safe yet thousands of needless deaths happend last year.
In all truth there are no "safe" foods, like anything in life all diets have risk.
As for the friend who fed the newfie a turkey neck shame on her for feeding that because raw feeding 101 no turkey necks that is smaller than the dogs nose, a little common sense goes along way.
ether smaller than the wet part of the nose or large than the snout is a common rule of thumb.
what else do you have? If that way all you got then its rather weak.
Raw feeding is the single most growing trend in feeding dogs, why do you think you see all these holistic and "raw" diets are trying to come about, the kibble companies know we are a threat to their profits. |
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| boswer |
| Posted 4/3/2008 7:34:48 PM |
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Quote naturaldane: I find it odd that you would post things like this however then again looking.. never mind.
Can anyone say any food is safe? dogs get choked on kibbles, kibbles cause bloat, bad teeth and a list of... |
I never said how large the turkey neck was that the Newfie choked on. As a matter of fact the turkey neck was about 9 inches long. Please don't make up stories and put words in my mouth that I never said. As a supposedly expert raw feeder you should know the hazards of feeding turkey necks because of their angled shape which can get lodged in a dogs throat. Necks are known to pose a danger to raw feeders. Most don't feed these because of the potential risks. We have some on this forum who are young and take what you say to heart. You should choose your words carefully before advising and taking on the liability to promote your method of raw feeding. I wouldn't want the forum to be sued for your random suggestions. Nor would I want to have someone kill their Dog because of what you say. If somebody wants to feed raw there are other alternatives which are safer than what you hand out. I never thought kibble was healthy that is why I chose to go the commercial raw diet.
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:23:12 PM |
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| Quote boswer: I never said how large the turkey neck was that the Newfie choked on. As a matter of fact the turkey neck was about 9 inches long. Please don't make up stories and put words in my mouth that I never... |
I have never recommended turkey necks for any dog, and the fact that it is nine inches long makes for insult to injury as unless it was nine inches thick there is now way that it should have been fed to the dog.
If the fact you are too lazy to educate yourself to know how to feed your own dogs and not rely on a company to sell you what ever they can convince you to buy doesnt impress me much.
You have never took any ones advice on the board and have never had nothing more to do than to be a drag, or try to under mind me, and I hate to break it too you, but it would seem as though you would get it after a while, but its not going to happen. I have my ducks in a row and have devoted the past three years to learning all I can about raw diet and natural rearing, and have had a very OPEN MIND so that I could learn more than what just sounded good or easy.
And another thing, Im 30 years old and I believe I'm a bit old to be told what to do, unless the law says I cant I will do as I please.
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| FoxFire_Ga791 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:26:25 PM |
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| Quote naturaldane: I have never recommended turkey necks for any dog, and the fact that it is nine inches long makes for insult to injury as unless it was nine inches thick there is now way that it should have been fed to... |
Don't even give boswer the saticfaction of a responce because that's all she's trying to do. You could say the sky is blue and boswer would post where someone else said it isn't.  It's not like she has any real experience raw feeding giant breed dogs like we do.  |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:35:40 PM |
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| Quote FoxFire_Ga791: Don't even give boswer the saticfaction of a responce because that's all she's trying to do. You could say the sky is blue and boswer would post where someone else said it isn't. It's not like... |
Im having fun, its all good cuz Im the one with the facts, she has horror storied about some one lacking common sense, maybe I should feed my kid chopped up hot dogs then complain when he gets choked  If she gets a kick out of making a fool out of herself so be it..
hey didnt you tell me she was trouble and i defended her, guess thats one time I should have heeded your advice |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:35:22 PM |
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| Quote boswer: I never said how large the turkey neck was that the Newfie choked on. As a matter of fact the turkey neck was about 9 inches long. Please don't make up stories and put words in my mouth that I never... |
This site can't be sued for advice given on this forum...they have a disclaimer in their rules like every other forum does.
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