| hedilbear |
| Posted 3/30/2008 2:43:28 PM |
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hello, i rasise great danes and have a friend who does to ,i do not let my Puppies go till they are 6 to 8 weeks old an has had everything ..but my friend let hers go at 4 weeks if they eating solid food ! Is that not to early even if they are eating solid food..because the mother is just starting to wean them then ? please end our discussion once an for all .....thanks  |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 3/30/2008 9:01:58 PM |
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obviously neither one of you know what you are doing. your Puppies should not leave their mother until a minimum of 8 weeks, in fact that is the LAW in most states
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ovuspuppysaletable.htm
they learn manners & socialization from mom & the siblings for life.
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| Mdoggy |
| Posted 3/31/2008 7:11:22 AM |
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 suebgone you are right on!!! These laws are made for a reason.
Toys should not leave mom until 12 weeks. Any breeder that does sell pups before this is out for the money and not the welfare of the Dog and the prospective buyer.
Larage breeds at least 8 weeks.
Toys at least 12 weeks. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 3/31/2008 8:07:45 AM |
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 neither of you are right...you did ask what was right and here it is...first of all you say that you dont let your pups go until 6 to 8 weeks...and 6 weeks is pushing it too hard...8 weeks is tha law in most states...and it is also a matter of integrity...you also say that your friend lets hers go at 4 weeks...she should be in jail....let her know you will contact the animal authorities if she does this again...you go on to say that your have had everything...what exactly is everything??? they certainly arent old enough at 6 or even 8 weeks to have everything...so please explain everything.....and for mdoggy...there is no set age other than 8 weeks of age for any puppy to go home...but toys should be held longer..once again...this depends on the puppy itself..no puppy should be left with its mother at 12 weeks of age...this is too hard on mom....so...hope this clears some of the issues up...i am certainly beginning to understand why breeder bashing takes place here...why are you breeding when you have to ask these kind of questions??????????? |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 8:25:51 AM |
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Sure a dane pup can survive without its family at 4 weeks of age, but there is more to life than just barely surviving.
Puppies are not even ready to vaccinate until 8 weeks and you never vaccinate for distemper in a dane puppy.
I dont believe in letting a Dane pup go until 10 weeks because being such a large emotional breed they really have to understand pack structure and you can't really tell their personalities until then to properly match them to the family types and that is so important so that the family does not wind up getting into trouble with a Dog personality type that does not fit with the family, not all dogs are going to fit with all people.
You also need to educate people on the breed so as they do not cause the puppy pano or hod and even hip displaysia , ok I know i spelled that wrong but im  and cant get it to look right.
I have emailed you and dont think Im snooty but there is many strait out rights and wrongs with the breed. I personaly dont feel you where ready to breed but whats done is done so I will help you as much as I can. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 3/31/2008 10:29:12 PM |
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well mogie, mdogie & I are both correct.
yes most states require at least 8 weeks.
as for keeping them until 12 weeks yes that IS what ethical reputable breeders do - some 14. that way they get their second parvo shot before they leave & have the additional learning time with their siblings.
of course they get started on puppy gruel at 3 - 4 weeks & are not allowed to nurse after 6 weeks tops.
ND I've never read that anywhere about not giving hmmm what ever it was you said about danes. interesting do you know where you learned that from |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 10:39:25 PM |
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Quote suebgone: well mogie, mdogie & I are both correct.
yes most states require at least 8 weeks.
as for keeping them until 12 weeks yes that IS what ethical reputable breeders do - some 14. that way they... |
Just remember you asked for it, brb with the links |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 10:44:20 PM |
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not one of the best but here is one
http://www.k911.biz/Petsafety/VaccineDangers.htm |
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| vickie123us |
| Posted 3/31/2008 10:44:22 PM |
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 I have seen this many times. breeders letting there Puppies go at 4 to 6 weeks. It just shows people that the breeder has not done there homework you might say. What i would tell you is if you and your friend want to breed contact the Dept. of Agriculture in the state the you live and become licensed as a hobby breeder. That way you will be operating legally. And become informed about Ages you can sell the Puppies. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 10:49:18 PM |
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http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dhod.html#Hypertrophic%20Osteodystrophy%20or%20HOD
Hypertrophic osteodystrophy causes lameness and extreme pain in young growing dogs, usually of a large breed. Great danes, German shepherds, dobermans, retrievers and weimaraners are examples of breeds that may be affected by this condition. It appears to occur in weimaraners as a vaccine reaction and this may also affect mastiffs and great Danes. In this case, it usually occurs a few days after vaccination and may appear to be worse than the "average" case on radiographs.
HOD usually shows up as an acute lameness, often seeming to affect all four legs simultaneously. Affected dogs may stand in a "hunched up" stance or refuse to stand up at all. They may have a fever but this is not consistently present. They usually have painful swellings around the lower joints on the legs. Some Puppies will die from this disease, some suffer permanent disablity but many recover later. The disease is so painful that many owners elect to euthanize the puppy rather than watch it suffer, despite the reasonably good chance for recovery, long term. Affected dogs may be so ill that they refuse to eat.
X-rays confirm this diagnosis in most cases. There are very typical X-ray changes, although it can look a little like bone infection from a septic condition. There is some evidence at this point that viral or bacterial infections may underlie some cases of HOD as canine distemper virus has been found in the affected areas in some dogs. There can be high white blood cell counts and the alkaline phosphatase level in the blood stream is often elevated. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/31/2008 10:49:50 PM |
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The best age to let a puppy go, depends on the breed. I don't trust anyone with Puppies under 8 weeks, because they are too fragile. Extra small toy breeds should be kept longer based on size and the family they are going to.
I think it is complete crap to say 'reputable breeders' keep Puppies until they are 12plus weeks old.
Yes they may keep several show prospects to see which ones really turn out, but I don't know of ANYONE with average/med/large breeds that keep them that long and I do know people who have VERY good show dogs and would be considered 'reputable' by even the harshest critics on here.
It wouldn't even be good for a large litter of 8,10,12 Puppies to be left together that long. They should be getting a LOT of individual time and training during that time. Bonding with the family.
If you worked with the Puppies from sun up to sun down one breeder couldn't possibly teach them all the socialization they need to know at that time.
It is extremists that are pushing and pushing the release time back further and further. I swear to God, it will be 'they need to stay with their pack the first year of their lives' soon.
Our favorite Dog was a single puppy from the litter who lost her mother and was hand raised from birth. Best Dog EVER-- no litter mates or mother at all.
Every VETERINARIAN I have ever taken my Puppies to, has ALWAYS released them at 8 weeks. So, thanks but I am listening to what my vets suggest. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 4/1/2008 1:11:09 AM |
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| Quote beaglebrat: The best age to let a puppy go, depends on the breed. I don't trust anyone with Puppies under 8 weeks, because they are too fragile. Extra small toy breeds should be kept longer based on size and the family... |
of course you don't want to because you have a lot of litters. & you need the space to make more $$.
as I've said to you before, I guess it all depends on your standards.
I personally know breeders of rotts, 1 litter - 14 wks
cockers - 1 litter 14 weeks
chessies - several litters over several years - 12 weeks
chessies - several litters over several years 14 weeks.
and there are others.
these dogs have all been shown or field trialed
thanks ND I'll read your links tomorrow. I need to hit the memory foam |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 4/1/2008 1:42:03 AM |
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Quote suebgone: of course you don't want to because you have a lot of litters. & you need the space to make more $$.
as I've said to you before, I guess it all depends on your standards.
I personally know breeders... |
All right, so there are a very FEW breeders that are of the OPINION that is when THEY FEEL they should release their Puppies.
It does NOT make them right. Does it?
No more than it makes any other breeder right or wrong for THEIR OPINION, as long as the puppy is of a SAFE AGE to go to a new home.
As I said, I think it is pure ridiculous crap. That is my opinion.
As I stated in my first post, my VETERINARIANS-- you know the people with medical degrees about animal health--feel that 8 weeks to release a puppy is A-OKAY.
I respect their opinion over that of the FEW EXTREMISTS. I guess if someone truly had a question about it, they should ask THEIR TRUSTED VET-- and I am pretty certain what their answer will be and it's not 14 weeks. |
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