| MaryAndDobes |
| Posted 4/3/2008 5:07:59 PM |
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| Quote bigdogg233576: i dont see them as what you all think a byb is |
Well, if you're defining them in some different way than we are, then I guess it's no surprise that you'd see it differently.
Most of us define bybs as this chart does:
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 7:05:28 PM |
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Quote MaryAndDobes: Well, if you're defining them in some different way than we are, then I guess it's no surprise that you'd see it differently.
Most of us define bybs as this chart does:
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Mary, not to hijack this thread but you have seen the person inquiring about wanting a doberman didnt you? I dont know allot about the breed in general other than I adored the two I have had in my life in the past. |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 8:24:23 PM |
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Quote moggie:  there is no such thing as a back yard breeder..or a puppy miller...these are words..that are within the Dog world that are used to lash out about breeders who may or may not do what other breeders... |
if the word t cup cannot be used...then why can byb or miller..
Who said t-cup cannot be used? |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:24:18 PM |
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Quote maoseger1010: if the word t cup cannot be used...then why can byb or miller..
Who said t-cup cannot be used? |
Whole other thread. People are saying that t-cup should never be used to describe an extra tiny puppy or the breeder is never reputable.
Some were arguing that it is just a adjective/definition others felt it was purely a ploy to get more money from unscrupulous breeders.
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:34:05 PM |
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The thing about these terms is that they are overused a lot by many people if a breeder doesn't fit in to every aspect of what they feel they should.
On another forum someone very wise said described it best by saying
"a backyard breeder or puppymill is someone that has one more Dog than you, has more litter than you, does one less health test as you," and so on.........
Basically these are often terms that breeders use to describe other breeders, to make them feel better about themselves and what they are doing.
As I have said, I have MANY MANY MANY breeder friends that many have been breeding dogs longer than I have been alive. Of all sorts I assure you.
There is not one that I don't disagree with on some level or another. They may say something and do the other when it involves their dogs.... there are a million reasons, but just because they do something differently than I do, doesn't make them bad breeders or bad people. Just different.
They all love their dogs and give them good care. But we also talk smack about each other. ALL THE TIME, about the other persons dogs, food, care, selling practices. It is natural for there to be catty gossip in any large group of adult women.
It doesn't mean we aren't friends, but female dogs are given a name for a reason, and the same can be said about their breeders!
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| MaryAndDobes |
| Posted 4/3/2008 9:53:22 PM |
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| Quote naturaldane: Mary, not to hijack this thread but you have seen the person inquiring about wanting a doberman didnt you? I dont know allot about the breed in general other than I adored the two I have had in my life... |
Yes, I saw it. But since the person doesn't know what they want, I don't know what I'm really supposed to do about it? I don't know which is right for them and their situation. Probably neither, but they aren't going to want to hear that. A lot of responsible Doberman breeders won't sell to homes with toddlers for various reasons, and a GSD will probably herd her kid all day.
Now, back to your regular scheduled thread... |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:01:43 PM |
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thought you could give her info on the breed as to why she should or shouldn't have one. I just thought you would want to have a chance at educating some one about your breed of choice. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:17:26 PM |
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| Quote naturaldane: thought you could give her info on the breed as to why she should or shouldn't have one. I just thought you would want to have a chance at educating some one about your breed of choice. |
I'm guessing Mary thinks they are a bit of a troll and shouldn't have her chosen breed LOL! JMO |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:21:41 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: Whole other thread. People are saying that t-cup should never be used to describe an extra tiny puppy or the breeder is never reputable.
Some were arguing that it is just a adjective/definition others... |
What I said Beagle is that reputable breeders who are educated don't use the term "tea cup" to describe their dogs to buyers. Pick up any Dog book on a shelf and see it in print. Maybe you should have done more reading before you started greeding! |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:24:28 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: The thing about these terms is that they are overused a lot by many people if a breeder doesn't fit in to every aspect of what they feel they should.
On another forum someone very wise said described... |
Of course there is some truth to what you're saying but you are skewing it to fit your own agenda. I mean this doesn't surprise me coming from you. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:41:06 PM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: I'm guessing Mary thinks they are a bit of a troll and shouldn't have her chosen breed LOL! JMO |
Regardless for the love of the breed one that cares should want to take any chance to educate some one about their chosen breed. I mean come on, she lowers herself to walk amongst this forum and many others she could take the time to give a few positives and negitives about the breed when some one is trying to chose, but I guess having it on her website is all the effort she feels she owes potential Dobie owners. I don't get it one bit.
All the dobies I have been around in my life have been raised with kids and great with kids, all where products of bybs, so maybe they are more trust worthy with children than the highly bred ones, guess since the dobie pro doesnt want to contribute we may never know.
to say the least, not that she cares but I lost a great deal of respect for her tonight. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:51:38 PM |
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| Quote naturaldane: Regardless for the love of the breed one that cares should want to take any chance to educate some one about their chosen breed. I mean come on, she lowers herself to walk amongst this forum and many others... |
Maybe she will reconsider...but I still think maybe she thinks the person is playing around. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:58:39 PM |
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I cant see where it could be taken that way, but also whats to be said about some one that googles dobermans and it pulls that thread up, it may make a huge difference in some ones choice.
Taking the chance to educate some one about the breed they have chosen shouldnt be such a bother she could drop a few lines in.
this is my opinion and since its not going to make a dang with her IM going to let it lay, but if I ever feel that its a waste of time, then I believe that that will be the day I need to hang the breed up. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/4/2008 12:27:12 AM |
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Quote naturaldane: I cant see where it could be taken that way, but also whats to be said about some one that googles dobermans and it pulls that thread up, it may make a huge difference in some ones choice.
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 4/4/2008 12:54:00 AM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: What I said Beagle is that reputable breeders who are educated don't use the term "tea cup" to describe their dogs to buyers. Pick up any Dog book on a shelf and see it in print. Maybe you should have... |
Just because a bunch of people say something, doesn't make it right or true. It is still THEIR OPINION that they are trying to make look like fact.
We have started wars on incorrect information presented as fact.
Maybe some agree, maybe some don't. As I have said before, philosophical differences. We don't have to agree.
I do agree with Mao here,
puppy miller
Back yard breeder
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TEACUP are words,
and they do have meaning.
The trouble is since they are DESCRIPTIVE TERMS-- the definitions are SUBJECTIVE based on that persons own feelings, views and OPINIONS.
Does this not make sense to anyone else?
EVERYONE always wants to be 'right or wrong' my goal is to present another side of views and opinions. People don't have to agree.
What I don't like is when people get personal with it and name call and talk crap that they don't know about. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 4/4/2008 1:32:43 AM |
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Quote beaglebrat: Just because a bunch of people say something, doesn't make it right or true. It is still THEIR OPINION that they are trying to make look like fact.
We have started wars on incorrect information presented... |
I was giving my opinion on that other thread to the OP. It is still my educated opinion and many others, that reputable breeders don't describe their dogs in that manner. That was my point so enough said from me, it's not rocket science. Makes me wonder why you as a breeder would think it is acceptable?!
p.S. I think you missed Mao's point to Moggie. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/4/2008 6:41:48 AM |
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ok....good am......what parvaid?? where did it come from...what does it do?? where do you get it?? how do you use it?? why?? whats in it??? got an idea....lets start a whatchamacallit?? about fabulous products we have found to help with our pets...and tricks we concocted ourselves....start with parvaid please.... |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/4/2008 7:11:02 AM |
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kathystone.....whats your point?? i read your post and cant find the point?? we are now back to dogs in shelters....once again...the largest population would be mixed breed LARGE dogs...right...occasional purebreds....again LARGE...and then medium of both categories..and then...small dogs...muts being moreso..and then purebreds...lets not forget the elderly...the blind...ALL!!!!! of these dogs are in shelters....why??? because of irresponsible people...this is NOT the fault of any type of breeder....this is purely a problem with irresponsible people in general...has absolutely nothing to do with muts, purebreds, etc....has everything to do with humans...examples.1. renters....2. divorces..3. death...4. life changes ...you know what im saying...if my elderly parent passed away..i wouldnt put her Dog in a shelter...others would...if my mother fell ill..i wouldnt put her in a nursing home..others would...if my older Dog went blind...i wouldnt put him in a shelter...others would...on and on...once again here we go...it is not the irresponsibility of the breeder that lands these dogs in the shelters...it is purely...irresponsibility of people letting their dogs run loose and become impregnated by whatever comes along..it is the person who wants a huge Dog and thenlearns its too much Dog for them....its the person who allows their daughter to get the Dog of her dreams and then she goes away to college...its the wife who leaves and the husband out of anger takes the Dog to the shelter...i dont remember seeing any breders taking their litters and dumping them at the shelter...so please whatever you were trying to say...whatever it is...explain..clearly the larger Dog is less placable...as...people who can afford the cost, care, etc...arent as many as the ones who can handle a small dog....so you srr...everything depends on human Dog ownership responsibilities...or might you be saying that the people who purchase purebred...registered...genetically tested...dogs...will take better care of them?? i dont think so!!!!! |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/4/2008 9:21:06 AM |
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| Quote moggie: ok....good am......what parvaid?? where did it come from...what does it do?? where do you get it?? how do you use it?? why?? whats in it??? got an idea....lets start a whatchamacallit??... |
parvaid is the best homopathic treatment for Parvo and other stomach upsets.
It sooths the digestive tract so that it can cope with the virus and it can run its course as any virus has too.
Because the irritation stops, so dos the runs and throwing up, and dogs often return to some what normal within a few hours.. It pulled 3 Puppies I personally know of through the "new" parvo with ease.
It the only treatment that natural reares use, there is parvo guard and its the same product but comes in a better amount for your money, both have different dosing and I dont have a bottle in front of me to say, but It is highly recommended by me and other NRs for anyone that has Puppies at risk, giving a dose before the Puppies go home will also help with car sickness and change related illness.
YOu can google either name and get the product, also a list for parvo tea that will help some. I will never be without a bottle. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/4/2008 9:32:03 AM |
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dane,
i believe that a neopar vaccine at 5 wks of age and a galaxy at 8 will keep any puppy from getting the virus...isnt it better to prevent than treat?? tamiflu was supposed to be having fabulous results with this virus also..have you heard any further information on this?? i understand that some larger breed Puppies can overcome parvo virus...but i think the tiny ones have very little chance of survival...im not so sure all the parvaid in the world could save them...do you have any additional information on this??? as far as anyone who has used it for this very reason...what breed of Puppies were involved and what was the outcome if you have any info on this matter???? |
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