| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 3/30/2008 1:17:09 PM |
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i dont see anything wrong with some byb so why does everyone talk down about them |
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| hedilbear |
| Posted 3/30/2008 2:59:52 PM |
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i think it is because there are alot of ppl who get dogs an breed just for the money an not really care about the animal as a pet an member of the family, it is just money an they don't take as good as care of them. And they get more than 1 pair of breeds because it means more money for them...If they breed as byb an have very CLEAN an well kept kennels an animals are very healthy an loved and maybe a litter a year instead of everytime they come in heat then they shouldn't consider them byb breeder's..but for myself my dogs live in the house with me an always will as they are my best friends !  |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 7:03:43 AM |
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no one has an answer |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 7:26:42 AM |
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| Quote bigdogg233576: i dont see anything wrong with some byb so why does everyone talk down about them |
Just because you don't see anything wrong with it doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it. Breeding should be done by people who know what they are doing and not just anyone who happens to have a male and a female. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 8:38:13 AM |
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| Quote maoseger1010: Just because you don't see anything wrong with it doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it. Breeding should be done by people who know what they are doing and not just anyone who happens to have a... |
i no a few breeders that breed at home and show is that what you mean by back yard breed or what do you mean i dont get it and they all take care of their dogs so what do you mean |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:08:57 AM |
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 there is no such thing as a back yard breeder..or a puppy miller...these are words..that are within the Dog world that are used to lash out about breeders who may or may not do what other breeders think is right or good enough!! some people think that if you do not show your dogs that you should not breed..this certainly is not the truth...what i do wonder...is..if the word t cup cannot be used...then why can byb or miller...everything depends on the integrity of the breeder and the experience he or she has along with personal moral values....lots involved here!!! as with anything in life...there is good and bad...and there will always be...is it up to breeders to lash out at others for what they do..no it is not....is it ok for breeders to lash out at breeders who do not care for their animals properly..yes it is!!! |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:16:50 AM |
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| Quote bigdogg233576: i no a few breeders that breed at home and show is that what you mean by back yard breed or what do you mean i dont get it and they all take care of their dogs so what do you mean |
No I would call them hobby breeders.
A back yard breeder is a slange name given to someone who allows their intact female to breed with any intact male that comes calling. |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:24:35 AM |
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| Quote moggie: there is no such thing as a back yard breeder..or a puppy miller...these are words..that are within the Dog world that are used to lash out about breeders who may or may not do what other breeders... |
I'm having trouble following you here.
Back yard breeder or puppy miller, these are only words.... Well so is love, peace and hope... but they mean something to the people who use them.
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:26:20 AM |
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i was wondering bc i didnt see anything wrong with them as breeders thank you |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 10:54:23 AM |
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this is the best way I can explain this.
5 million pets a year are killed because of the lack of homes, granted most are mixed breed but the pure breds are not a good rep of the breed be it looks or personality or trainability, personally even though its easier to get a pure bred adopted I would spring a mutt rather than a pure bred any day for a personal pet.
Back in the olden days people bought pure breds from kennels that showed or hunted, but if the Dog didnt live up to the standard where culled. then came the great idea of hey, if they can make money off it so can I and there was the start of the bybs and millers, it became about the money and not the dogs, as long as it sells is the main goal, to whom it doesnt matter as long as the money is good, then those not ready for the job of raising a puppy ditch it or they are negligent in getting it altered and an opps litter is made making mutts or they raise the Dog to get a litter off of to get their money back and back to the problem of not enough homes for dogs and cats carelessly bred and the richest country in the world its killing so many.
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:40:15 AM |
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maoseger...i dont see the difficulty in what i said...yes love, peace, and hope are also words...and i said that byb and millers were also words...everything we say is a word...what counts is who is saying them and what they mean to each and every individual...this is not difficult to understand...neither are morals or integrity...this does not meant that these words mean the same thing to everyone...thats a fact...i also said these words...there is good and bad in everything..ill go on to say everyone...and i dont think this is too hard to figure out....next post is for dane...... why you dont get it???? |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:44:52 AM |
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 dane...please explain yourself...i would like to know why you would spring a mutt rather than a purebred for a personal pet. i will assume the KEY word here is SPRING...because if you are going to say that a mutt makes a better pet than a purebred...and noone is supposed to be breeding this mutt...then where would you get this mutt?? i will go on to assume you meant that the reason why you said this ....was not... because of the key word MUTT...but the mere fact that you would be doing a rescue of sorts??? please tell us why you said this and exactly what this means...i hate to call you to the table but on this one.....you are wide open... |
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| MaryAndDobes |
| Posted 4/3/2008 11:50:32 AM |
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| Quote bigdogg233576: i dont see anything wrong with some byb so why does everyone talk down about them |
By definition, a byb is someone who is breeding dogs without proper breed knowledge for reasons that have nothing to do with improving a breed. So, what good is there to say?
The byb is usually not someone you can turn to when you have a problem with their dog, they usually won't take it back and/or take responsibility for what they've done. They may love the dogs they own and care for them well, but they usually just don't know what they are doing when it comes to breeding and being responsible about it. A lot of times they are very nice people in the general scheme of things -- they just have no business breeding dogs because they aren't knowledgeable or responsible enough about it. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:21:43 PM |
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Quote MaryAndDobes: By definition, a byb is someone who is breeding dogs without proper breed knowledge for reasons that have nothing to do with improving a breed. So, what good is there to say?
The byb is usually not... |
i still dont see anything wrong with ssmall breeders who take great care of their animals |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:28:17 PM |
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If I have to chose between a badly bred pure bred and a mutt, then I would roll the dice on a mutt personally for the following reasons,
One the mutt is more likely to die, two the badly bred dogs that occupy the shelters are normally there for some other reason than its a mutt and will in my experence will need more rehab. I have also seen my fair share of unstable mixes, so its a matter of knowing dogs. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:31:04 PM |
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maryand dobes....... |
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| MaryAndDobes |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:32:26 PM |
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| Quote bigdogg233576: i still dont see anything wrong with ssmall breeders who take great care of their animals |
Taking great care of their dogs doesn't mean they are going to produce good quality, healthy, sound, temperamentally stable, long lived animals.
These things might happen by fluke from bybs, but good responsible breeders are actually trying to do these things conscientiously through showing their dogs (to prove conformation), by health testing their dogs (to try to ensure good health in the Puppies., by temperament testing their dogs (again to prove stable temperament and to make wise breeding decisions based on what they learn in the tests), by studying pedigrees to determine what strengths, weaknesses, faults, etc are present.
*Those* are the things that bybs generally don't do. The good animals they might produce are flukes. I'd rather support someone that is actually trying, not just happening upon some minor success. |
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| bigdogg233576 |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:35:44 PM |
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i dont see them as what you all think a byb is |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 4/3/2008 12:40:03 PM |
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http://www.borntodiepets.com/html/video.htm
notice the amounts of pure breeds in these videos.
Unless your breeding to better the breed in a realistic sense and not to better the population then most professional breeders will consider that type of breeder a byb. |
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| kathystone |
| Posted 4/3/2008 4:28:32 PM |
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There are too many dogs being killed in the pounds and shelters across america to just breed your Dog because you want to! If you do not study the background of your Dog and compare him to the standard for physical rating THEN having him temperament tested for psychological rating AND having a specific plan on how you are improving the breed by reproducing this dog, it doesn't matter if you have 1 or 1,000 dogs, you are adding to the problem.
As far as mutts are concerned, remember most of the dogs used in film are from local shelters and are mutts! Lassie was a rescue Dog who was called untrainable by his owner. Comet, the Dog in FLUKE was a rescue who was untrainable and "vicious". Sure , they are purebreds but there are several hundreds of examples of mutts on screne who are insured for over $1,000,000. Benji is one. And they are on their 10th generation of benji. |
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