| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 3/28/2008 11:48:19 PM |
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Let the record show that I am not writing this to start anything negative, I sincerely want an explanation.
Recently, in a city about an hour away from me, a pitbull attacked a woman and bit her finger off, also killing her shihtzu. I do not know details like if the pitbull was leashed or if the womans Dog was. The pitbull was euthanised. My first question is, the only time I ever hear of a Dog attack is if its a pitbull, I am sure rottweilers and dobermans and GSDs have attacked people (just examples I have nothing against these dogs) Why do you never here of them. Also, what caused the pitbull to be the target. I know darn well that other dogs have been trained for attack and other dogs have attacked people and killed small dogs. My Chihuahua could give someone a good run for their money if she wanted to, but chiahuahus arent illegal and mastiffs (for example) dont have rules like they have to wear a muzzle if they are out of their yard. Does anyone have an explanation to why pitbulls are the target. |
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| rottwild4ever |
| Posted 3/30/2008 10:24:12 AM |
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Actually you do hear more about pitbull and rott attacks than any other.
Is it the breed fault? Well no most of the problems are caused by lack of socialization, training, and breeding anything for money and not caring if the parents have a bad temperament.
I will tell you like I have told many of my students that more people are bit by small dogs than by large but you do not hear about it because the damage is usually minimal.
More people are fear than aggression bit.
There was a case last year where the families pom was left on the bed with a 6 month old baby and he killed the child.
Who's fault was that?
In my opinion it was the parents that were not around when the attack happened. Where were they that they never heard the poor baby cry.
You can bet if there is an altercation that a pit or rott is involved in no matter what they are going to be blamed.
I had a Chihuahua come in and jumped on my rott in a aggressive manner. My rott roared and pinned her to the ground with one paw and yawned in her face. The chi's owner started yelling about my vicious rott. Who's Dog was being rude mine or hers?
She was lucky that her little Dog decided to attack mine rather than an untrained Dog that with one snap could have killed her little girl.
We need to stop blaming the breed and start holding the owners responsible for their dogs actions. We as responsible pet parents hold the key to a brighter future for both breeds. |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 3/30/2008 1:18:26 PM |
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Quote rottwild4ever: Actually you do hear more about pitbull and rott attacks than any other.
Is it the breed fault? Well no most of the problems are caused by lack of socialization, training, and breeding anything for money... |
I agree that it is not the breeds fault, I am just wondering why the pitbull became the most feared, vicious, attack Dog when there are plenty of other dogs out there capable of the same if not worse damage. I have never read or heard about (locally) any other Dog being euthanised for an attack...only pitbulls. I am not familiar with the laws anywhere else regarding pitbulls but here, when walking them they have to be muzzled (doesnt matter if its an 8 week old puppy)and if in the yard they have to be on a cable or some sort of tie out, even if you have a fenced yard. You have to register your pitbull in a sense with animal control and you can actally see at the spca whereabouts in town the pitbulls are. Yet there is a Shepherd mix across the street from us, if its outside, I am in because if he ever broke the rope we dont have a prayer. I was never warned about him...but I have been warned about the pitbull living across town that might lick me to death! |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/30/2008 1:37:24 PM |
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| Quote littlemissmom_23: I agree that it is not the breeds fault, I am just wondering why the pitbull became the most feared, vicious, attack Dog when there are plenty of other dogs out there capable of the same if not worse damage.... |
Those ordinances/laws in your area were probably enacted because statistically it has been proven Pits are the culprit and have caused enough problems to warrent them. We don't have those kind of heavy restrictions in my area.
In another town in my state a few years back, a little girl about 9 went over to play with her friend where she had been before and the friends parents had several Rotts in the house. The poor little girl got mauled to her death, even though previously she had played around these dogs. Of course the Dog had to be euthanized. A lot of times the guilty party (owners of these dogs) will volunteer to euthanize them right away to make amends.
It is each Dog owners responsibility to control their own dog. You will be considered the guilty party if you can't. You can determine this even watching the civil court shows that are on. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 3/30/2008 9:19:05 PM |
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 exactly! well put PP
you see more about pits because they are the "breed" or look alike that are vastly more often involved.
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 1:03:38 PM |
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http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf
Copy and past this for a complete list of numbers concerning how many dogs of a certain breed have maimed or killed.
Rotts and pitts have the top numbers, Akitas and boxers rather surprised me in the numers.
Also Im trying to find the study results but these breeds are often not altered and chained making things even worse, they become highly territoral. More male than female dogs had bitten in that study. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 1:11:08 PM |
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http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/DogBiteStatistics.html |
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 3/31/2008 1:49:01 PM |
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Quote littlemissmom_23: Let the record show that I am not writing this to start anything negative, I sincerely want an explanation.
Recently, in a city about an hour away from me, a pitbull attacked a woman and bit her finger... |
Believe me you are noy starting anthing negative, I agree. You barely here about the other Dog that bite people. It is always the pit bull. I happen to nkow a friend with one it he is sweet. |
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| moggie |
| Posted 3/31/2008 1:49:16 PM |
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 i have to voice my opinion here as well...on another post...my question was this...i would imagine that there are many many dogs who are not purebred pits but pit mixes which would cover many many dogs...this my be why the numbers are so inflated...because anything that goes wrong with a bite or an aggressive Dog who looks similar to a pit may just be called so....and....lets face it...most potential Dog owners do not go out searching for the family Dog with a pit in mind...which would probably conclude that the type of persons who want to specifically own a pit...would be a type of person who has less than good intentions...and stereotyping is what im doing here and dont mean to....im fully aware that this type of person certainly does not include all pit owners.....not all pits behaviors...however it is what it is...i can bet you this...if you want to know what is behind this particular incidence..maybe finding the owner and viewing where they live will tell the story and ill bet it would...in my opinion...i think it should be against the law to keep any Dog on a chain....any dog!!!!!
this will lead to my new topic.... |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/31/2008 1:55:40 PM |
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if you would take time to read the links i posted on says that the vast majority of Dog bites are not from pure bred but rather mix breeds. |
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 3/31/2008 4:15:44 PM |
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| Quote CannonFarms: http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/DogBiteStatistics.html |
After reading the stats and taking the breeds into consideration would anyone say it is possible that these dogs are not doing what they are meant to do and that may cause some of the behaviour used against them...for example, if a border collie (bred primarily for herding) does not have a job, they get bored VERY easily and can become destructive. So would it be safe to say that a German Shepherd who does not have a job or regular activity to participate in would be more inclined to bite.... |
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| ShoobyTheDog |
| Posted 3/31/2008 4:26:11 PM |
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I so agree.I would of never thought about that. wow your good!! |
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| kathystone |
| Posted 4/1/2008 2:39:58 AM |
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Back in the early '80s there was an akita who was beautiful. He got his championship easily and was"retired" to the breeding box. People paid top dollar for his offspring. Many people who did not know the story line bred to this dog. And what was the story? He was very "child aggressive" and had almost killed a bay who was sitting in a stroller at a Dog show. He grabbed the baby by the stomach and shook it. The Dog was never shown again. His offspring came into Akita rescue, mainly for being over aggressive. An Akita is bred for hunting bear. A pair of Akitas can bring down a grizzly. But they are not "pit bulls" so you never hear about them going on the defense.
In a town locally they passed an anti pitbull ordinance. One of the ladies on the city counsel has a malamute. She has an " invissible fence" to keep him in. To date he is responsible for the death of several small stray dogs and has bitten 3 people. BUT HE IS NOT A PIT BULL so they do notheing. A better idea would be a vicious Dog ordinance. Any Dog can be vicious, njot just pits and rotts. |
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| emlee3 |
| Posted 4/1/2008 1:31:28 PM |
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| Quote littlemissmom_23: After reading the stats and taking the breeds into consideration would anyone say it is possible that these dogs are not doing what they are meant to do and that may cause some of the behaviour used against... |
this theory doesn't apply to every situation. I would say about 60% training 40% genetics.
many people don't know how to train their dogs or they will purchase a breed that they can't handle.
Akitas is a very stubborn breed. They are very dominant and can be somewhat hard to train. my mother has a jindo, which is very similiar to a akita. Highly intelligent and very indepedent. Not a lot of pet owners would enjoy these breeds considering that they have a aloof manner. Not at all a lap Dog and the type of Dog that greets strangers with hugs and kisses (like my dog).
so i'm not suprised that akita is on the top of the stats. if not trained right, they can be VERY aggressive with strangers and esp with other dogs and small animals. they have a strong hunting drive.
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| littlemissmom_23 |
| Posted 4/1/2008 5:28:46 PM |
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Quote emlee3: this theory doesn't apply to every situation. I would say about 60% training 40% genetics.
many people don't know how to train their dogs or they will purchase a breed that they can't handle.
Akitas... |
I totally agree it does not apply to every situation I just think it is definately something to take into consideration. |
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| nysirk21 |
| Posted 4/2/2008 1:33:07 AM |
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Pitt-Bulls unforuntely get such a bad name because So many stupid people get them and use them as fighting dogs and make them bigger meaner and aggerisive then they go on to breed the meanest ones and some things stay in their genes, honestly I think American Pitt bull terriers can be amazingly highly trainable great dogs when they are in the right hands,(which is VERY important with this breed they need EXPERIENCED Owners not scumbags that want protection or use them for fighting) They also can be wonderful with children because of their high pain tolerance, We always hear about pitt-bull attacks because of there bad reputation, statics show that more toy breeds bite more often then pitt-bulls do but these incidents happen more the family members and don't cause as much damage as a larger breed would so they are never reported. Also the toy breeds in general can be a bit more prone to acting aggerisive because they are so small and the world is so big its much easier for them to feel threatend I would rather get bit by a Terrior breed then a Herding breed, in general terrier breeds bite once and hang on they were bread for killing rats which took about one bite, where an herding breed Dog will Bite bite bite bite bite as they were bread for herding sheep and would do this by biting at there ankles many times, I used to think badly about Pitt-Bulls as well but as i furthered my education i realized how great they really can be again in the RIGHT HANDS, Also this breed in general is Prone to a high Prey drive which means its natural for them to want to attack a brid, cat or small Dog like a ****zu, it sounds like that pitt-bull was owned by an inexperienced handler and the owner got involved trying to protect her Dog and lost her finger its very tragic and im sorry to hear about that, but i wouldn't blame the breed its ALWAYS the OWNERS Fault This Breed should Only be allowed with experienced Dog trainers and handlers and I wish they would make that a law for many of the larger breeds can only hope... |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/2/2008 12:23:42 PM |
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