| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 7:35:34 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: Lol, please do. You will find one Dog house on our property, which is for when we leave the dogs outside in our 2 acre fenced field to play in in the summer.
Are all the dogs in the house loose at... |
I don't have the website but I suppose I could find you by looking for Boxers and Puggles on this site. Your house must be torn up...no offense.
There was a lady with a Puggle when I went to get Peanuts shot at a shot clinic the other day. Someone was asking her something about her Dog and I heard her proudly exclaim, "Oh no he's a Puggle". She was very proud. I bit my tongue but it could have been fun. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 7:38:45 PM |
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The other thing is, because of MY BAD EXPERIENCES if I say it is a show prospect, I truly think it is a show prospect. Like-- something I would keep and show.
I normally only have 1-2 in the litter, and many times I am keeping the best girl, or it goes on co-ownership. It is a lot easier to get a show prospect male from me, because I don't keep males no matter how nice they are.
For example, my 9 week old litter had a GREAT looking male in it. That was the only one that I called a 'show prospect'. ALL of the other ones were sold as pets on limited registation.
DESPITE the fact that I turned away at LEAST 4 families that were looking at a very flashy fawn female from the litter. These were 'newbies' that 'said' they were interested in show. I TURNED THEM AWAY. I told them I wasn't crazy about this puppy's head, and to wait for other spring litters.
I know for a fact 2 of the families have e-mailed though and said they found other Puppies. Probably crappy Puppies that they bought from other breeders 'claiming' they were 'show prospects' on this very site, even though most breeders on this site truly have no idea what 'show quality' is-- I tried to do the right thing, but buyer beware.
If you notice all the 'show quality' Puppies that don't even have ANY Champion bloodlines, you probably know what I mean. Those Puppies don't have a prayer in the ring, but newbies don't know that.
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 3/22/2008 7:39:30 PM |
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PP, you know that I like you, but considering where you bought your puppy do you really feel that you should so harshly judge some one that has a higher standard of breeding than the breeder you got your Dog from?
If you want her site email me and maybe then you can see what great boxers she has and is trying to build. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 7:44:50 PM |
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Quote PerfectPom: I don't have the website but I suppose I could find you by looking for Boxers and Puggles on this site. Your house must be torn up...no offense.
There was a lady with a Puggle when I went to get... |
No, my house isn't torn up. My adult dogs running loose are very well behaved trained dogs.
My Puppies aren't running loose in the kitchen, they go from whelping box to XL crates. They are contained. I couldn't have that many Puppies loose running around-- I don't know of anyone that just has baby Puppies running around freely to tear things up and potty everywhere.
When they are old enough they get let out 8-12 times a day to potty and exercise. They are almost gone to new families by 8-9 weeks.
When the weather here is too bad for them to go outside we have them blocked off and running around our kitchen tile for a while, and then the go back in their crates.
It is a good program that works for me, and seems to be doing well. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 7:49:08 PM |
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| Quote naturaldane: PP, you know that I like you, but considering where you bought your puppy do you really feel that you should so harshly judge some one that has a higher standard of breeding than the breeder you got your... |
I'm really just debating ND as I don't really know anything about her or you for that matter other than what we type on here. You have contradicted yourself because on the one hand you say you don't agree with breeding mixes, yet you would buy a purbred from someone who does. Beagle never seems to get that offended so why should you? You have some skeletons in your closet as well so that makes us even. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 3/22/2008 8:18:48 PM |
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Unless I said somewhere that I was buying a puggle im missing the point your trying to make. I think she knows my views on that and thats really the only thing I can do about it is say my views, if she wasnt some one I did not know, then I wouldnt give her a second look if i seen puggles on her site then simi ok boxers.
I would rather let the whole puggle thing go then to go buy from some one that I dont know.
When I bought my danes I was told maggie was show quality pup, I trusted this lady as she had a pretty good game going and I got screwed.
I seen BB boxes almost a year ago, and just have recently talked of getting one because its just as important for me to finish one of her dogs as it is for me to show a boxer. Truth be known the Boxer will be for my husband however I will handle it, he had fallen in love with them at the shows we have been too.
She has what Im looking for thats all there is too it. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 8:21:07 PM |
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| Quote PerfectPom: I'm really just debating ND as I don't really know anything about her or you for that matter other than what we type on here. You have contradicted yourself because on the one hand you say you don't agree... |
For the record, my breeding Puggles does not have a thing to do with the quality of my Boxers. That is really two completely separate things.
Yes, all my Puppies get the same love and quality of care, but Puggles are pets and I do try to raise Boxers good enough for show.
It's funny because many pet families like both Boxers and Puggles, they actually have sort of similar faces. I have had a couple families either purchase a Boxer or a puggle and then come back for the other 'breed'. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 3/22/2008 8:25:39 PM |
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I made the comment out of maybe helping getting your head level, I dont like the pot calling the kettle black, and as far as my mistakes of the past, I have never not once hid that I bred dogs in the past, made a profit off them, but done it in the best ways possible for what most consider a byb, the dogs had every thing a show bred litter would except parents with titles in things that mattered, not really much as far as titles in boar hunting other than my Dog lived through x amount of hunts. My mom was a byb, I was tought to groom by a big byb so until I did some growing up I seen no wrong in what I was or they where doing, lesson learned and such is life.
This is the other reason for the past three years I have poured my heart and wallet out to help any critter I could even when it almost cost us our house.
If Im buying a show quality puppy from proven lines then I really dont see why you or anyone else has a problem with it. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 8:27:29 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: For the record, my breeding Puggles does not have a thing to do with the quality of my Boxers. That is really two completely separate things.
Yes, all my Puppies get the same love and quality of care,... |
I wasn't really addressing the quality of your Boxers. You're right about Puggles looking like minature Boxers, that is for sure. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 8:40:24 PM |
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| Quote naturaldane: I made the comment out of maybe helping getting your head level, I dont like the pot calling the kettle black, and as far as my mistakes of the past, I have never not once hid that I bred dogs in the past,... |
C'mon can't we just be posting mates again?! I never hid the fact where I got CoCo. I think my brain is spinning because I am sick and have a fever, excuses excuses. Maybe it's the site I was reading last night that had videos of puppy mills on farms. The Lortans were scary. (http://www.caps-web.org/investigations.php) These people came in and did some investigating sometimes a day after the USDA inspector had been there and found no violations. I like what they say about USDA, under USDA. I'm sorry.  |
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| emlee3 |
| Posted 3/22/2008 9:43:45 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: For the record, my breeding Puggles does not have a thing to do with the quality of my Boxers. That is really two completely separate things.
Yes, all my Puppies get the same love and quality of care,... |
i would think breeding a mixed breed would effect the quality of your boxers.
if your boxers are good enough to be shown, as you said..where are you getting your boxers? i mean, what RB would allow you to have one of their pups knowing that you are breeding them with other breeds?
wouldn't that effect the quality of your boxers?
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 10:17:01 PM |
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Quote emlee3: i would think breeding a mixed breed would effect the quality of your boxers.
if your boxers are good enough to be shown, as you said..where are you getting your boxers? i mean, what RB would allow you... |
Sorry to disappoint you, but after 11 years of breeding Boxers at this point MY dogs that I am breeding are good enough for the show ring. I don't NEED to purchase from anyone else-- but I have made a purchase or two over the last several years and it has never stopped me.
My friends with Champions know about the Puggles, and they still allow me to breed with their Champion males because they know I take good care of my dogs and have quality bitches.
Otherwise, I don't exactly mention the Puggles to every single person I meet. It rarely comes up in fact. You would be surprised at the questions most breeders don't ask when people are willing to pay good money for their dogs/puppies.
Oh, and 'Reputable' is all a matter of opinion and perspective based on an individuals values. Everyone should look at all the information and make up their OWN minds.
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 10:20:18 PM |
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Quote emlee3: i would think breeding a mixed breed would effect the quality of your boxers.
if your boxers are good enough to be shown, as you said..where are you getting your boxers? i mean, what RB would allow you... |
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I re-read this again. I have never mixed a Boxer with anything. In fact for the last 3 years I only breed to Champion males. No ones Boxer would be 'at risk' of being bred to anything less than a Champion Boxer.
So again, the Puggles have NOTHING to do with the Boxers. I don't see why that concept is so hard to understand. |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 10:40:47 PM |
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| Quote beaglebrat: Sorry to disappoint you, but after 11 years of breeding Boxers at this point MY dogs that I am breeding are good enough for the show ring. I don't NEED to purchase from anyone else-- but I have made a... |
Quote: Otherwise I don't exactly mention the Puggles to every single person I meet.
Why not? You said you are proud of them and they are good little dogs, why not get the word out to anyone who will listen.
Quote: You would be surprised at the questions most breeders don't ask when people are willing to pay good money for their dogs/puppies.
Sounds a little deceptive but I appreciate your candor.
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 10:47:18 PM |
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| Quote beaglebrat: Whoa, whoa, whoa, I re-read this again. I have never mixed a Boxer with anything. In fact for the last 3 years I only breed to Champion males. No ones Boxer would be 'at risk' of being bred to anything... |
Quote: the Puggles have NOTHING to do with the Boxers. I don't see why that concept is so hard to understand.
To those who don't believe a reputable breeder would breed designer dogs it would be an issue. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 10:50:56 PM |
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Quote PerfectPom: Quote: Otherwise I don't exactly mention the Puggles to every single person I meet.
Why not? You said you are proud of them and they are good little dogs, why not get the word out to anyone who will... |
I have NEVER lied to anyone about them. If they ASK, I tell them.
There are a fair share of people in my breed who know, because they know me, I am sure that some probably talk about me behind my back as most breeders are catty and they do.
I talk about other breeders behind their back about things I don't like that they do. Like close line breeding for example. I love one of my friends, but I mention to other's that I wouldn't breed as closely as she does. It doesn't mean anything-- that's my opinion. It doesn't mean I like don't like her or that she doesn't care for her dogs. I just don't agree with that aspect.
You see the 'bias' towards (OH NO!) mixed breeding that you see on here. If someone disagrees with it, I am likely not going to change their mind and they certainly are not going to change mine.
There are a lot of things to disagree with someone over. Some breeders don't like other breeders that have ANY other breed of dog. Others think it's fine to have two breeds but not three and so on.
If you love and take care of your dogs, and your Puppies. what is the point?
Beyond that, right, wrong, again, it's all opinion. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/22/2008 10:58:47 PM |
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Quote PerfectPom: Quote: the Puggles have NOTHING to do with the Boxers. I don't see why that concept is so hard to understand.
To those who don't believe a reputable breeder would breed designer dogs it would be an... |
Well I guess we would have a different opinion about that, right?
I don't force anyone to purchase my Puppies. I also don't have any problems finding families that find me reputable enough.
Do you see the other choices of breeders that most people have? Seriously, check out this site--overall-- I am not 'that bad' despite the fact that I choose to make some cute family pets.
How can you talk when you purchased from a pet store? Would you like it if a breeder told you they wouldn't sell to you because you supported a puppymill in the past--so you were clearly a bad pet owner?
Would you be sure to mention buying a Pet store puppy to every potential 'reputable breeder' if you were looking to buy a new puppy? Even if they didn't ask? Because that might be a mistake.
Does it really make you a bad pet owner though? Probably not.
People often think it is ok to judge, but don't like to be judged themselves. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 3/22/2008 11:09:21 PM |
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OMG! Can we please get off the puggle trip already, its becoming extreamly boring and very repetitive.
BB breeds puggles wow, like anything here is going to change that, at least if shes going to do it she does it in the most responsible manor possible.
Im not defending her on the fact, she can do that on her own, but geeze how many times can the same thing be said.
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/22/2008 11:28:04 PM |
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Quote beaglebrat: Well I guess we would have a different opinion about that, right?
I don't force anyone to purchase my Puppies. I also don't have any problems finding families that find me reputable enough.
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You said next, so I was simply making a valid point as to why it could be an issue to some.
Quote: People often think it is ok to judge, but don't like to be judged themselves.
If you want to talk about me purchasing from a pet store I'm up for it. What do you want to know? I think that's comparing apples and oranges to say I wouldn't tell a breeder I purchased from a pet store to you breeding designer dogs, but that is my opinion.
Oh and the selling part of this site is one big internet selling puppymill/byb grounds from everything I've seen. I love the thousands of ads with dogs in teacups  |
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| PerfectPom |
| Posted 3/23/2008 1:17:06 AM |
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Quote beaglebrat: The other thing is, because of MY BAD EXPERIENCES if I say it is a show prospect, I truly think it is a show prospect. Like-- something I would keep and show.
I normally only have 1-2 in the litter,... |
Quote: All of the other ones were sold as pets on limited registration.
That's funny because on another thread I stated that my Poms breeder offers full or limited registration on almost all her dogs and you responded back saying you do too. |
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