| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/7/2008 5:44:28 AM |
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Hi! I have a maltese that is 17 weeks old and trying to find all information about said topic. He is smaller, 3lbs right now. I took him to the vet and said that she couldn't find the teste. Mind you, within 24 hours the baby had been on two planes and car rides that lasted 3.5 hours total. Can the testes really hide? And is it difficult to feel them in such a small dog?
I've felt a few times, and occastionally I swear that I feel two.....perhaps that is wishful thinking or perhaps he has one that slides around, is this really possible?
The previous visit did not indicate that the testicle was not found.....but that is moot because that was not my vet...although my vet is a clinic...
Anyone have this happen, please share any information you can.
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 3/7/2008 7:52:05 AM |
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| Quote SabrinaK1978: Hi! I have a maltese that is 17 weeks old and trying to find all information about said topic. He is smaller, 3lbs right now. I took him to the vet and said that she couldn't find the teste. Mind you,... |
Both testicles are usually within the scrotum by the time the animal is six weeks of age and they should definitely be there by the time the puppy is eight to ten weeks of age. If one or both testicles are not present at that location by twelve weeks of age, they probably never will be and the animal is said to be suffering from cryptorchidism or 'retained testicles.' This is a disorder that may be passed from generation to generation. Your male should be neutered. Expect the surgery to cost a bit more than a simple neuter would.
If you just got this pup, the breeder should have known full well this pups condition. IN MY OPINION. If he was sold to you with breeding rights you need to talk with the breeder.
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| ccrper |
| Posted 3/7/2008 8:15:55 AM |
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Our Collie tecticles hadn't drop and we knew this what we puchased the Dog and the breeder picked up the cost. We had it done when Dog was neutered. It was a long operation since one of the tecticles was hidden, he had five cuts to find it. It is very serious and could lead to many long term problems. He is now 27 months and doing well, never had any long term effects from the operation. We can now joke about the guard he had to wear which led to a lot of funny moments. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/7/2008 8:50:38 AM |
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Oh testicles. They are funny little creatures. My vet says that nothing is permanent with testicles until at least 6 months. Meaning, they can still go down OR go back up.
--the goal is then to get them back down before the tube becomes too small for the testicle to travel down... then it's stuck permanently up.
Some of it depends on the breed and bloodline too. Some lines of certain breeds are known for developing testicles really late.
I can also tell you that I had a situation, where I had a show prospect puppy, had both testicles from 4 weeks on, not an issue at all. My vet noted BOTH TESTICLES on the vet exam.
I shipped the guy to CA, and immediately the families vet only found one testicle. I really didn't even believe it, but... I'm not a vet and I wasn't there, the story is it went back up somewhere during the stress of the journey.
Never came back down again. They had to get him neutered and I refunded a portion of their money.
It was irritating because that had been the nicest puppy in the litter of course. The brother to my Champion, I think he would have done great in the ring... it wasn't a great situation for anyone involved, but the family still loves him. So....it could have been worse, but these things do happen.
I will swear up and down that puppy DID leave with both testicles and they SWEAR that he only arrived with one. |
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| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/7/2008 11:44:08 AM |
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Well thanks everyone....Yes the breeder did give me rights, and I have called. She was shocked to say the least. She will get me a new puppy, but such a heartbreak since our little guy was pick of the litter. Very similar to previous poster's experience. Terrible, but misery loves company, thank you for sharing.
The breeder is suggesting waiting a few weeks before deciding that for sure there is only one, this doesn't seem right from what you tell me. The pup is 17 weeks which sounds to be past the point of no return.
Thanks for the information and advice from all.
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 3/7/2008 12:04:17 PM |
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just curious but are you going to show your dog?i'm not judging but asking if your not going to show your Dog why get a replacement?again i'm not judging just curious thats all. |
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| ccrper |
| Posted 3/7/2008 12:27:22 PM |
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Good Luck but after 17 weeks surprised you can part with him. Our Dog was going to be a family pet, not to breed or show and we also knew of the possibilty at the breeder. Like the previous post just curious how you make it so easy to replace. What will breeder do with the 17 week old? |
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| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/7/2008 10:23:29 PM |
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He may be 17 weeks, but I just got him. I actually was looking for a bit older pup so I really knew what he looked like. The breeder has offered to send me another pup for shipping price. I'm not sending him back. My plan is to have him fixed and give him to my mother as a gift. That is as long as my three year old can handle it. We have had him since Wednsday, we found out about the missing testicle on Thursday.
I bought him with the understanding that IF I decided to breed him with my other malt I could.....again this is why I picked an older pup, but it still bit me in the butt, lol.
Thanks again for everything.
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| moggie |
| Posted 3/8/2008 6:13:48 AM |
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 i had one drop at 14 months of age...!!!! |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 3/8/2008 7:15:15 AM |
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Everything I have ever read or been told by vets says that a Dog who has a retained testicle at 12 weeks of age should be neutered. The risk of testicular cancer is much higher for them.
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 3/8/2008 8:17:34 AM |
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Quote maoseger1010: Everything I have ever read or been told by vets says that a Dog who has a retained testicle at 12 weeks of age should be neutered. The risk of testicular cancer is much higher for them.
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You can't always believe everything you read. Both of my vets (from different practices) with over 70 years experience would disagree.
One will do a surgery to try to lower the undescended testicle (some how), but if he can't get it down surgically, he turns it in to a neuter. I heard him talking about doing this several times with families in the lobby.
I have known of people with valuable show dogs that have waited and had the last testicle drop at 8 months.
Most vets are not going to want to do the neuter until 6 months anyway, why not wait and see what happens?
Every animal is different.
I really don't think any of us can say that if a puppy at 17 weeks HAD both testicles, and they went up during a flight that they will not come back down.
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| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/8/2008 10:12:08 AM |
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Well, I called and spoke with my vet again. She said in rare cases that the testicle can drop up to six months. She says she has been practicing for 30 years and she has seen it only a handful times.....Of course who is to say that some of the neutered dogs would have dropped....The vet was more worried that if I waited with the breeder that I might get taken and never get another pup. BTW, she could not feel the teste at all, and neither can I (not anywhere and this little guy is tiny).
I've spoken to the breeder as well and we are giving it until the end of the month (he'll be five months old). I have an email saying exactly that.
Let's all pray that it'll drop and we'll get to keep this sweet little pup (we do love him even if we have only had him a few days). If not, he's going to live quite a posh life with my parents.
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| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/8/2008 10:14:07 AM |
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I forgot to mention- the breeders vet did not ck testes because the breeder forgot to mention that I may breed him. This was a special arrangement we had after talking several times. It was an honest mistake on both thier parts.
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| moggie |
| Posted 3/8/2008 10:41:39 AM |
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 shouldnt the regular exam for the health certificate include a full exam...including the fact that one of the testicles was retained...cryptorchid should have been written on your health certificate...i would have to say that any male puppy going to the vet for a health certificate should be examined for retained testicles...because..this is an issue that not only pertains to the breeding of a dog..it pertains to the dogs health later on down the road as far as surgical neutering goes..it is a more serious neuter and far more costly than the norm...how could a breeder overlook this on a puppy of which she has had for 17 months??? i didnt know that testicals simply hid themselves during a flight!!!! |
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| SabrinaK1978 |
| Posted 3/8/2008 10:54:37 AM |
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Yes, I would think so too, however I am kinda at the mercy of the breeder, KWIM?
I have to accept it was a mistake, and move on. Her way to rectify the situation is more that fair, at least I feel so.....
I don't think there is anything else she could do at this point, do you? I'm sure that she will not have this happen again, lol.
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