| anandpatil29 |
| Posted 2/24/2008 11:54:02 PM |
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Please suggest me Whether i can keep my Dog vegetarian or non vegetarian
As per your knowledge which on is benificial.
Regards
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 2/25/2008 8:54:58 AM |
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maybe it's just me but i think dogs should not be mad vegeterian.they are basically meat eaters if they are kibble,canned,raw or organic/holistic they need a form of meat in their diet.with my previous Dog i tried going vegeterian and he just didn't do well.my vet (and others) said he needed meat in his diet.after i went off vegeterian he did much better.just my opinion and from experience.hope you get some other help that will do your Dog good |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 2/25/2008 11:18:04 AM |
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This gets my goat.
dogs and cats are not herbivores or omnivores they are Carnivores!
Sure they can survive off of a plant protein based diet but they do not thrive.
Lets look at some facts, Biggest one of them all is their teeth are not made for plant materials and neither is their digestive system.
Taken off the Myth busting page on www.rawfed.com
Dogs and cats have the internal anatomy and physiology of a carnivore (Feldhamer, G.A. 1999. Mammology: Adaptation, Diversity, and Ecology. McGraw-Hill. pg 260.). They have a highly elastic stomach designed to hold large quantities of meat, bone, organs, and hide. Their stomachs are simple, with an undeveloped caecum (Feldhamer, G.A. 1999. Mammology: Adaptation, Diversity, and Ecology. McGraw-Hill. pg 260.). They have a relatively short foregut and a short, smooth, unsacculated colon. This means food passes through quickly. Vegetable and plant matter, however, needs time to sit and ferment. This equates to longer, sacculated colons, larger and longer small intestines, and occasionally the presence of a caecum. dogs have none of these, but have the shorter foregut and hindgut consistent with carnivorous animals. This explains why plant matter comes out the same way it came in; there was no time for it to be broken down and digested (among other things). People know this; this is why they tell you that vegetables and grains have to be preprocessed for your Dog to get anything out of them. But even then, feeding vegetables and grains to a carnivorous animal is a questionable practice.
Dogs do not normally produce the necessary enzymes in their saliva (amylase, for example) to start the break-down of carbohydrates and starches; amylase in saliva is something omnivorous and herbivorous animals possess, but not carnivorous animals. This places the burden entirely on the pancreas, forcing it to produce large amounts of amylase to deal with the starch, cellulose, and carbohydrates in plant matter. Thus, feeding dogs as though they were omnivores taxes the pancreas and places extra strain on it, as it must work harder for the Dog to digest the starchy, carbohydrate-filled food instead of just producing normal amounts of the enzymes needed to digest proteins and fats (which, when fed raw, begin to "self-digest" when the cells are crushed through chewing and tearing and their enzymes are released).
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 2/25/2008 11:18:40 AM |
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Nor do dogs have the kinds of friendly bacteria that break down cellulose and starch for them. As a result, most of the nutrients contained in plant mattereven preprocessed plant matterare unavailable to dogs. This is why Dog food manufacturers have to add such high amounts of synthetic vitamins and minerals (the fact that cooking destroys all the vitamins and minerals and thus creates the need for supplementation aside) to their Dog foods. If a Dog can only digest 40-60% of its grain-based food, then it will only be receiving 40-60% (ideally!) of the vitamins and minerals it needs. To compensate for this, the manufacturer must add a higher concentration of vitamins and minerals than the Dog actually needs.
Is the Dog an omnivore? Its dentition, internal and external anatomy, and physiology say it is not. Even its evolutionary history (discussed later) says the Dog is a carnivore. So when people tell you the Dog is an omnivore, ask: "What about this animal makes you think it is an omnivore?" Make them explain their position to you before you explain yours. Chances are they'll cite this next myth as "proof".
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 2/25/2008 11:23:50 AM |
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These quotes are taken from chapter 4, The Wolf as a Carnivore.
"Wolves usually tear into the body cavity of large prey and...consume the larger internal organs, such as lungs, heart, and liver. The large rumen [, which is one of the main stomach chambers in large ruminant herbivores,]...is usually punctured during removal and its contents spilled. The vegetation in the intestinal tract is of no interest to the wolves, but the stomach lining and intestinal wall are consumed, and their contents further strewn about the kill site." (pg.123, emphasis added)
"To grow and maintain their own bodies, wolves need to ingest all the major parts of their herbivorous prey, except the plants in the digestive system." (pg.124, emphasis added).
This next quote can be found on the Hunting and Meals page at Kerwood Wildlife Education Center.
"The wolf's diet consists mostly of muscle meat and fatty tissue from various animals. Heart, lung, liver, and other internal organs are eaten. Bones are crushed to get at the marrow, and bone fragments are eaten as well. Even hair and skin are sometimes consumed. The only part consistently ignored is the stomach and its contents. Although some vegetable matter is taken separately, particularly berries, Canis lupus doesn't seem to digest them very well."
With most kibbles dogs are already on a almost vegetarian diet and thats why so many health problems occure with our dogs. Before commercial junk foods where made available for humans and pets alike we didnt see the obesity crisis in our pets or children, food for thought. |
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| boswer |
| Posted 2/25/2008 1:36:10 PM |
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Quote anandpatil29:
Please suggest me Whether i can keep my Dog vegetarian or non vegetarian
As per your knowledge which on is benificial.
Regards
anand |
No, dogs cannot be vegetarians for all the reasons listed in the above postings. Your Dog will become nutritionally deficient. If you decide not to take advise you should have a CBC blood count done often to make sure your Dog is not in jeopardy.
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| kathystone |
| Posted 2/26/2008 10:11:05 AM |
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Many commercial Dog foods are plant protein based( corn). Since dogs dont digest corn well, they create large abouts of stool. Please read thru this forum and notice how many dogs are going blind, or have thyroid problems. I haven't seen any research on this, it is only my guess. Could it be from feeding the wron diet? Perhaps. A Dog is a carnivore and gets it's nutrition from meat. If the dog's human wants to be a vagitarian, go for it but leave the Dog alone. It is what it is. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 2/26/2008 11:52:52 AM |
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| Quote kathystone: Many commercial Dog foods are plant protein based( corn). Since dogs dont digest corn well, they create large abouts of stool. Please read thru this forum and notice how many dogs are going blind, or have... |
Amen!
Kathy, have you every read through the www.rawfed.com site? There are some pretty good stories on there about how a raw diet reversed illness including cancer.
And if you stop and think about a few things, 30 years ago before the fast food and instant foods came about for both us or our pets, cancers where a rarity, overweight was there but not in the mass mess that our pets and us are in. we start eating this junk and then feeding it to our pets and Bam, pets are having the same ailments as humans, parvo when from a rare thing to a way to common word in a pet owners language, however i blame that on over vaccination and not allowing nature to be the dictator, after all a true healthy Dog does not get parvo. |
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