| loveemma |
| Posted 2/24/2008 7:35:20 PM |
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Was wondering peoples thoughts on corrections and consequencs.Seems some people say no corrections no consequences and some believe they are important in training.Also what would be examples of each of these.Thanks |
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| ccrper |
| Posted 2/25/2008 8:50:02 AM |
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I believe that if a Dog does something wrong there should be a consequences. For example not coming when called he or she should go to their bed or have a time out. It has to happen right away. On the other hand if some good is done a reward should be given. also right away. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 2/25/2008 11:32:46 AM |
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Every moment with your Dog is a training session, every thing you do has a cause and effect.
Most training issues are due to a direct defect in pack order, simply put if the Dog does not respect you the Dog will not obey you. Google NILIF Dog traning as you have to have a good solid foundation to train upon.
I dont agree with the above poster on punishing for not coming, in a dogs brain, ok, I hear her calling but im doing my own thing, ill get back to her later, equals failure to respect, but also, when the Dog does come it gets punished, that doesnt set the tone to come back when called again.
The better thing to do is work on the nilf base but also have a long leash and with two people you toss it back and forth and call the Dog to whomever has the lead and praise when they come, it shouldnt be nothing more than a positive good, treats can be used at first but a Dog must learn to obey without them. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 2/25/2008 11:52:07 AM |
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she means to google NILIF
treats are great but praise is not nearly as fattening |
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| nysirk21 |
| Posted 3/9/2008 11:48:10 PM |
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positive reinforcement and negative punishment, so when the Dog dose something you want you reward him with a treat/prasie within two seconds of acting when he dose not do it right you withhold the treat/prasie, as for something he dose wrong that you don't like like poop on the floor when your not home well if your not there to catch it you should not punish him for it Only when you catch him do it, the Dog dose not remember what it did wrong hours later,
Dogs do not think like us humans do, You want to be VERy careful about "Time outs" they should be used with caution, should only last 30 - 60 seconds unless the Dog is digging crying.. then when he clams down only then can he can be removed from time out, If you use times outs too often or too long it can have very negative effects on the Dog like the Dog prefers isolation to your company, also you never want to use your dogs crate as a punishment, Only if you think you anger might get to you and you may harm or hurt your Dog should you even consider using the crate as a time out area I also agree that you should NEVER punish your Dog when he dose come to you even if it takes a little while,
I highly suggest taking a training class or working with a trainer to better understand this |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/11/2008 3:39:26 PM |
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I dont really agree with punishment in the tone it is being set in. Correction is a better term, like correcting a Dog from pulling on the lead, jumping up, barking when not the correct time.
If a Dog poops or pees on the floor, chews up something, gets into the trash, drinks out of the potty, ect those are owner/handler areas and they are the ones needing correction.
If one of my dogs messes in the floor, its always my fault but buddy believe me, I know exactly who done it as they are sulking as they feel they did wrong and the fact its cold proves they do know what they did, and I have never scolded one for potting in the house. ANK is the only correction and its for when they are cought in the act, which is once again my fault.
dogs are very smart, some smarter than others, but in any case humans are the superior when it comes to intelligence (well, most) and we have to learn its our fault more than theirs, even in the leash and jumping actions its up to us to correct it and our fault if it continiues, cant do it on your own, fine, theres no shame, find a trainer and learn. |
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 3/13/2008 3:35:05 PM |
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I believe that there should be consequences. If your Dog deciedes to go potty in your house give him/her a time out in a private area to learn his/her lesson. It is called tough love. |
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| arachyd |
| Posted 3/13/2008 5:46:31 PM |
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Consequences don't have to be brutal but they do have to be consistent and immediate.
A Dog that spends time with its owner learns to recognize when the owner is happy and when something is wrong. The owner can help the Dog learn more effectively by using the same gestures and voice each time to indicate this.
Keeping calm helps the Dog focus. If it is scared because you are yelling or waving your arms around it will not be able to focus on what might be wrong. Its self-preservation instincts take over and block out any constructive learning you would have accomplished by remaining calm and indicating your displeasure in a way the Dog can understand. It is never necessary to beat a Dog to train it.
If there is a behavior that must be corrected you must catch the Dog in the act, not 5 minutes later. You must also make a serious effort to catch it every time. dogs live for the "here and now" and if you wait to correct you might as well try to correct something they did a year ago-it simply will not work because it was in the past. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 3/13/2008 6:17:31 PM |
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| Quote lakid1: I believe that there should be consequences. If your Dog deciedes to go potty in your house give him/her a time out in a private area to learn his/her lesson. It is called tough love. |
IF the Dog goes potty in the house its your fault not his so I will have to say I totally disagree with what you are saying. |
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 4/14/2008 3:56:46 PM |
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| Quote CannonFarms: IF the Dog goes potty in the house its your fault not his so I will have to say I totally disagree with what you are saying. |
I can live with your disagreement and how can it be your fault that the puppy/dog goes potty in the house? You didn't make him/her do it. |
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| NoSkiveez |
| Posted 4/14/2008 6:04:48 PM |
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When a Dog or puppy has an accident it is the humans fault...
...because you allowed the accident to occur in the first place. Responsible pet ownership also includes taking responsiblity for your pets actions.
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| christinadorris |
| Posted 4/15/2008 12:24:00 AM |
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When I was housebreaking and training my first personal pet I had an incident that was defiantly all his doing. He had been in trouble and being held in a calming/correcting manner as I was told by a trainer to do. Immediately after he was allowed to go, he went about 6 feet in front of me and started peeing. There was no warning signs. For this dog, he always looked for a private place. This "accident" was to get back at me. I am certain. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 4/15/2008 6:46:40 AM |
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could it have been the fact he had to go in the first place and the whatever trouble and then being held to calm down relaxed him enough that the urge became too much. or maybe the Dog was being nice and held his submissive pee in.
A Dog that has been scolded for peeing in the house is a Dog that will hide and use the potty, another reason scolding a Dog doesnt fix the problem.
very few dogs are able of such complex thoughts to have a get even about them, scientest say they are not any that can, however I have had and trained the getting even dogs.
when house breaking if you follow the simple formula then any accidents are yours for going off it or you having a change in schedual |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/15/2008 9:23:54 AM |
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| Quote christinadorris: When I was housebreaking and training my first personal pet I had an incident that was defiantly all his doing. He had been in trouble and being held in a calming/correcting manner as I was told by a... |
 i have to laugh because a similar thing happened with my cocker spaniel when he was about 7mo old.we had just started putting up christmas tree,he smelled the tree and started to lift his leg.when i told him no he stopped.i sat down and he looked at me,barked,and lifted his leg and peed on the tree.so i guess yes we are responsible for our pets and their "accidents" because we do need to watch them but sometimes things do happen.in my case i think you almost have to laugh. |
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 4/15/2008 9:34:43 AM |
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Quote NoSkiveez: When a Dog or puppy has an accident it is the humans fault...
...because you allowed the accident to occur in the first place. Responsible pet ownership also includes taking responsiblity for your pets... |
Oh. Thanks for that information. Now I know what my sister is doing wrong with potty trianing her dog. |
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