| Alesa83 |
| Posted 2/24/2008 6:10:45 PM |
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Hey I am a first time puppy owner and I have a 14 week old Pom pup who I just got yesterday. The old owners had him crated for 12 hours a day and he would defecate in his crate. Now he won't go outside when I take him out every 45 minutes. But most of the time a short while after we are back inside he will go in his crate. What do I do?
He also seems to have seperation anxiety and won't let me out of his sight otherwise he cries. last night he cried for over an hour before I brought the crate to the side of the bed. I don't know what to do. Please help!! |
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| emlee3 |
| Posted 2/24/2008 7:35:18 PM |
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| Quote Alesa83: Hey I am a first time puppy owner and I have a 14 week old Pom pup who I just got yesterday. The old owners had him crated for 12 hours a day and he would defecate in his crate. Now he won't go outside... |
take your pup out every 30 min instead of 45 min. You may have to wait a long time for your Dog to her business. i used to have to wait about 20 min before my Dog did anything outside. once she does something give her lots of positive praises. oh and try walking your dog..it stimulates bowel movements.
your pup is still a pup so it will take awhile esp for toy breeds to be fully potty trained.
how big is your crate?
make sure the crate is big enough for the Dog to move around but small enough that it won't defecate/urinate in it.
your Dog DOES NOT have seperation anxiety. most Puppies are lonely at night and will cry. you can try putting a towel/blanket to cover the cage or you can bring the crate in your room with you.
have you taken your Dog to the vet? make sure your Dog is clear from any parasites, worms, or even a Urinary tract infection.
i hoped that help and good luck. |
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| arachyd |
| Posted 2/24/2008 7:39:28 PM |
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I don't know what your financial situation is but you could try to get another crate and put the old one outside to give him the idea that he should go out to do his business. If that is not possible at least scrub and deodorize the crate he has so no trace of odor from feces or urine remains in it. Take the pup out frequently, every 2 or 3 hours if possible for potty breaks and give lots of praise when he goes outside.
*sorry, didn't realize you are already taking him out every 45 mins. I agree, more often is needed if 45 mins. is not enough to catch him when he needs to go. We've always taken pups out every 2 hours until they get the hang of it. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 2/24/2008 8:02:51 PM |
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I agree that at this age every half hour is necessary until he starts getting the idea.
have a word that you use EVERY time such as pottie, when you get out there.
remember he doesn't know any better since these other people TAUGHT him to go in the crate.
it is often helpful to put a hot water bottle, or a 2 lieter soda bottle with warm water - wraped in a towel in with the puppy.
by all means, keep the crate by your bed at nite. |
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| Alesa83 |
| Posted 2/24/2008 8:27:31 PM |
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Thank you all for your advice! DO you have any suggestions about him crying through the day if I am out of sight with him? Thanks once again! |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 2/24/2008 9:22:32 PM |
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let him cry & don't take him out of the crate while he is crying.
don't talk to him while he is in there as that will just stimulate him.
have a special "crate toy" that he only gets in there. ko*g toys are super for crate entertainment |
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| emlee3 |
| Posted 2/24/2008 11:23:20 PM |
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Quote suebgone: let him cry & don't take him out of the crate while he is crying.
don't talk to him while he is in there as that will just stimulate him.
have a special "crate toy" that he only gets in there.... |
oh i agree.
you just have to grit your teeth and let him/her cry. If you give the pup any attention she/he will soon figure out
crying = attention.
not a good start.
if you live in apartment and can't afford to have a puppy cry all day you may have to give him something that will occupy his time. like sue mentioned, a kong is a great toy. you can stuff it with natural peanut butter, yogurt, or any treats that your Dog likes. my Dog loves to get frozen plain yogurt out of those kongs.
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 3/27/2008 1:47:46 PM |
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Quote suebgone: let him cry & don't take him out of the crate while he is crying.
don't talk to him while he is in there as that will just stimulate him.
have a special "crate toy" that he only gets in there.... |
I think that he should talk and take him out of the crate if he is crying. |
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| ccrper |
| Posted 3/28/2008 9:26:41 AM |
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We have had many dogs over the years and never crated. Having said that, we have many friends that have and have good success with it. I am surprised no one mentioned the fact that the puppy was locked in a crate for 12 hours a day, to me that is abuse. I would think that the solution would be to reduce the time in a crate to the absolute minimum and especially not put in a crate outside.Let the puppy play maybe in a fenced off room or outside and as mentioned work on the bowel movements. |
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| naturaldane |
| Posted 3/28/2008 1:21:32 PM |
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IM just wondering if he likes to go potty in his crate and its one of the plastic one why not work with him and not against him and just turn it into a doggie litter box? |
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| MaryAndDobes |
| Posted 3/28/2008 1:21:42 PM |
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| Quote lakid1: I think that he should talk and take him out of the crate if he is crying. |
Then he just trained the owner...
If you give in to every demand of the dog, what does the Dog learn? That all he has to do is cry to get his way. |
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 3/28/2008 1:43:37 PM |
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Quote MaryAndDobes: Then he just trained the owner...
If you give in to every demand of the dog, what does the Dog learn? That all he has to do is cry to get his way. |
I never said that. |
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| arachyd |
| Posted 3/28/2008 9:57:11 PM |
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Then please explain why in the world you think talking to the Dog and taking it out of the crate would be helpful in any way for training him not to cry when left alone. |
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| suebgone |
| Posted 3/28/2008 11:32:40 PM |
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| Quote lakid1: I think that he should talk and take him out of the crate if he is crying. |
you said it right here. |
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| rottwild4ever |
| Posted 3/29/2008 1:14:37 PM |
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| Quote Alesa83: Hey I am a first time puppy owner and I have a 14 week old Pom pup who I just got yesterday. The old owners had him crated for 12 hours a day and he would defecate in his crate. Now he won't go outside... |
Congratulations on your first pup!!! With a bit of work and a lot of patience you will get through this.
The first 2 lines of your post says it all. dogs are clean animals. The pup was never given a chance to be clean in his crate so he does not know any better. I see it all the time with rescues we get from puppy mills.
First disinfect the crate. Then be sure that he has just enough room to sit, stand, and stretch out comfortably while laying down. This is a den not a condo. This will make him feel more secure and will not give him room to go and then walk away from it. When you take him out have a 6 ft. leash and lots of yummy cookies. Pick him up ( since he is a little guy. It can keep down accidents ) and carry him to a spot at the back of your yard. Stand in a comfortable, relaxed posture and just say Potty to him. Then wait, do not speak or walk around just stand there no matter what he does. In a minute glance at him and say potty in a friendly tone and wait. Nothing good happens until he goes then when he does say in a happy voice yeah good potty. And give lots of cookies and praise. Then take him in and wait about 2 minutes and say play U wanna play then u can go out and play. This way he does not confuse potty and play time.
Get him on a schedule take him out after he sleeps, plays, and 15 minutes after he eats.
Hope this helps it's just a scaled down version of my potty basic's 101 course.
Sorry so long winded but it's the least I could get away with.
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| rottwild4ever |
| Posted 3/29/2008 2:58:01 PM |
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Howdy just dropped in with some thoughts on your second issue.
From reading your message I have the feeling that what you are suffering is true separation anxiety. It does not sound like the puppy just screaming to get out that he wants his way. The poor pup was left 12 hours a day by himself in a crate and that can cause a serious problem. Does that mean that when he cries that you should let him out and console him? No Never!! that rewards the behavior and fuels the problem. So now what can you do to fix it?
Lets go back to the beginning and start over.
First if he is in a plastic crate and you can afford to put him in a metal crate that changes the environment. If he's in metal go to plastic.
Now let's introduce him to his new den. Place a towel that you have rubbed all over yourself that way it has your scent. Then put some nice toys like a stuffed and frozen kong or a nice squeeky. Then sit in front of the crate with lots of soft cookies and play toys and start playing hansel and gretel with your pup. Throw a treat a little ways from the crate and as he goes for it praise. Then lure him up to the door a little at a time. When he runs up willingly start throwing them a bit at a time in the crate then back outside the door. Then alternate toys and trets and turn it into a fun game. As he relaxes and goes willingly into and out of the crate then shut the door and leave for one minute. Do not return if he starts crying wait until he stops and then return calmly and open the door. DO NOT MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS!!!
Then start again and leave for 2 minutes.
Break a bit in between and go play and potty and get a drink and start over. Leaving for more and more time till you work up to a couple of hours. Do not stay in the room where the pup can see you. Leave his sight.
Patience is a virtue. None of the problems are the pups fault. They are brought on by an inept owner that caused crate and potty problems, but you can fix it.
Best of luck. Just don't give up and do not give in.
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 4/1/2008 9:44:29 AM |
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| Quote arachyd: Then please explain why in the world you think talking to the Dog and taking it out of the crate would be helpful in any way for training him not to cry when left alone. |
Well he should because he has seperation issues. He doesn't want to be left alone and the puppy will probably get the picture about what he is doing wrong. |
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| maligirl1 |
| Posted 4/1/2008 10:51:11 AM |
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| Quote lakid1: Well he should because he has seperation issues. He doesn't want to be left alone and the puppy will probably get the picture about what he is doing wrong. |
maybe he does have seperation issues,and yes he will proably get the picture,the picture of everytime he cries he will get his own way and get taken out of the crate.Puppies need reinforcement.by him crying and then being given what he wants is not good for him or his human. |
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| lakid1 |
| Posted 4/2/2008 3:33:21 PM |
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| Quote maligirl1: maybe he does have seperation issues,and yes he will proably get the picture,the picture of everytime he cries he will get his own way and get taken out of the crate.Puppies need reinforcement.by him crying... |
You know what. I just thoug=ight ( curse this odl computer and Faith get away from there!) *OOPS*. Sorry got a little off topic and as I was saying I gave your post alot of thought and I have yo say that I agree with you. |
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