| Texasbabies |
| Posted 2/18/2008 7:50:54 PM |
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I posted a topic back in January about my Pugs not being pregnant. 4 females bred to 1 male and 2 other females bred to another male. All turned out not pregnant. I've been breeding Pugs for over 7 years and never had these problems before. Already had a Brucellosis test done. The result was negative. Might add the vet ripped me for $90 on that test. Asked the vet if there was anything else that could be transmitted from one Dog to another that would cause infertility. They said "no". I found an article on AKC about T-Strain Mycoplasma. According to the article it sounds just like Brucellosis and says it should be tested for. Has anyone heard of this? |
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| boswer |
| Posted 2/18/2008 8:13:50 PM |
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| Quote Texasbabies: I posted a topic back in January about my Pugs not being pregnant. 4 females bred to 1 male and 2 other females bred to another male. All turned out not pregnant. I've been breeding Pugs for over 7 years... |
I am not very knowledgable about Pugs but was wondering if you would know the answer to this. Have you ever had to deal with stenoic nares in any of your dogs? I am having to deal with my Saint pup 4 months soon that he has pinched nostrils and surgery is in the future if they don't open up by 6 months? Sorry I can't help with your question, but I have heard that Pugs sometimes have issues with breathing because of the short snout.
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 2/18/2008 8:34:49 PM |
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Brucellosis test at my vet (had one done today) was $40 per Dog and my vet is very reasonable, does the lab work himself. He has said that he has NEVER had a Dog test positive for Brucellosis in over 30 years of Practice.
So, though it is a dreaded disease, and I don't blame stud Dog owners a bit for requiring outside bitches to be tested for it, it is VERY uncommon.
I don't know about this T-cell thing, I guess I will look in to it, but unless you did a vaginal culture on all your girls and a sperm count on both your boys.... there could be a lot of reasons why your girls didn't get bred. It could have been as simple as a nasty vaginal bacteria that is preventing your girls from conceiving.
It's Dog breeding, there are no guarantees. I know that some people would look down on a breeder for attempting to breed that many dogs around the same time. However-- just as it is really rare that all 6 pugs didn't get pregnant, it is really rare EVER for all 6 to get pregnant.
I figure at least 25% of my attempted breedings do not take. Sometimes only 50% of the breedings conceive. So that is why it is often a tough decision for breeders to make on exactly how many girls they should breed at once.
If the op had only attempted to breed 3 of the 6 and none got pregnant, she would have been wondering if she should have bred the other three.
The biggest downfall for breeders right now, is battling biology. Bitches kept together, cycle together. A breeder may not have ANY bitches come in season for 5-9 months and then WHAM everything they own is in season in a month or two. That is hardly the fault of the breeder. Only they know what they can handle as far as amount of litter/puppies. Some people who stay home with their dogs could take care of MANY more than a person that works a full time job outside the home and then takes care of 3-4 dogs after work.
I attempted to beat biology by throwing one of my girls in to heat who hadn't cycled in 13 months. We used a human hormone pill inserted directly in to the vagina. This threw her in to season with in 5 days of implanting it, but she didn't get pregnant either. Others have been very successful with this, and I still plan on trying again at least one more time in the future. |
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| panthercreek |
| Posted 2/19/2008 9:48:44 AM |
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Thats good that the bruc. test came back negative. I guess my next question is did you actually see them tie or did you just leave a male and female together and hope it happened? I haven't ever heard of the disease you are talking about but it would be something to look into as a possible cause of the problem. Let us know what happens. |
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| Texasbabies |
| Posted 2/21/2008 5:38:36 AM |
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The male that I bred to 4 of the females is a seasoned male that never had problems before this. I saw him tied to 2 of them and saw him in the process of trying with the other 2. The male that I used on the last 2 females had not ever bred anything before because he was just a little over a year old at the time. I wasn't able to ever see him hang up with them, but I did leave them together. I was worried about using him yet because of his age, but when I realized that the 1st 2 females bred to the other male were not pregnant I became worried and decided to use the youngest male on the last 2. I think he should have been able to do it though being over a year old.
On the subject of nostrils being too small. I had a puppy one time that started breathing nearly completely out of her mouth when she was about 6 weeks old(she didn't have a problem before that). I thought maybe she had a cold and took her to the vet. The vet said it wasn't a cold, that her nostril openings had become too small. Since she was breathing out of her mouth so bad I had the vet do the surgery. It was quick and easy(only cost me $75). The vet just snipped off a little piece of nose flap on each nostril. When the puppy woke up she was breathing just fine out of her nose. I had a male puppy one time though that was overly snorty. He wasn't bad enough to go need the surgery. I just kept him till he was older to make sure he grew out of it before I sent him to a new home. He was perfectly fine by the time he was 2 1/2 months old. It's not a big deal to have their nose done. You should be careful for some vets though-their are a few that are "trigger happy" and want to do the surgery on all the flat-faced breeds so they'll all breathe like "normal dogs". In my opinion, if you want a normal sounding Dog than you shouldn't get a Pug anyway. It's part of what makes them special. |
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| beaglebrat |
| Posted 2/21/2008 9:17:48 AM |
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It's crazy that most Pug breeders are shocked when I tell them that Pugs are ranked #2 of all the Dog breeds to HAVE hip dysplasia.
There has NEVER been a Pug test with OFA EXCELLENT hips EVER. Over 70% of Pugs tested HAVE some degree of dysplasia. They are also prone to luxating patella, pallet issues and eye injury.
This was a breed bred for generations for looks only, with absolutely no concern for health. |
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