| Texasbabies |
| Posted 1/12/2008 2:18:37 AM |
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I have been breeding Pugs for over seven years. I have suddenly ran into breeding problems. I had 2 females that came into heat about a week from each other. I bred them both to one of my males. A while later after that, I had 2 more of my females come into heat and I bred them to the same male. I then realized that the first 2 females were not pregnant. I was worried when my 5th female came into heat, so I bred her to my newest male that had not bred anything before. It has now been long enough that it seems that all 5 females are not pregnant. All of these Pug's ages vary, but they are all young enough to still be good breeders. They have not had problems breeding in the past. It has been a year since I have bred an outside dog. All the Pugs in question look and seem fine. I am scared of what is wrong with them. Any thoughts? |
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 1/12/2008 8:41:16 AM |
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| Quote Texasbabies: I have been breeding Pugs for over seven years. I have suddenly ran into breeding problems. I had 2 females that came into heat about a week from each other. I bred them both to one of my males. A while... |
My first guess is that something has happend to the male and he's throwing blanks. You need to have him tested. Seems like a lot of bitches of just one stud. |
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| panthercreek |
| Posted 1/12/2008 10:17:13 AM |
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Have you tested for Brucellosis in any of your dogs? For that many females to not get pregnant and with using 2 different males there is obviously a problem. You really need to be working closely with your vet. Brucellosis can cause a female to not get pregnant or if she does she can abort them. I don't really know much more about it then that but a trip to your vet is really called for. |
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| Texasbabies |
| Posted 1/12/2008 12:58:28 PM |
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Yes, it really is too many females for one male. That is why I got the other male, but I had to wait for him to be old enough to breed. I wondered myself if he was shooting blanks, but the female I bred to the new male didn't get pregnant either.
I had a thought about Brucellosis too, scares me to death. Where would it have came from though? If I haven't had anybody elses dogs over here and my dogs haven't went anywhere? You are right though, I am going to have to take dogs to the vet. I just want as many opinions as possible. I'm not a believer in one human being "all-knowing", even if he is a vet. |
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| panthercreek |
| Posted 1/12/2008 3:04:12 PM |
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What about the new male you got that you just used for the first time? Was he ever tested? There haven't been any dogs that you KNOW OF. Could a stray have gotten around your dogs? I would just take them into the vet for a blood test and if it comes back negative go from there. But at least you would have a place to start.
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| maoseger1010 |
| Posted 1/12/2008 3:05:33 PM |
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| Quote Texasbabies: Yes, it really is too many females for one male. That is why I got the other male, but I had to wait for him to be old enough to breed. I wondered myself if he was shooting blanks, but the female I bred... |
Well your luck could be bad and your second male could have a very low sperm count as well. Not all males turn into good breeders.
Of course I agree you should have your females tested as well. |
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| THMINIS |
| Posted 1/13/2008 12:28:24 AM |
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I agree. While we may have ideas, only someone who can physically see and check the dogs is going to be able to tell you what is going on. |
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| velmadobe |
| Posted 1/13/2008 10:23:24 AM |
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this is a puppy selling site, that means its a breeder site.
edited ND. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 1/13/2008 12:30:07 PM |
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http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/medical/medical-info.01.html#brucellosis
this site is about the most blunt definition of the illness, also look at herpes and well, really the whole page has something to offer.
Have you studded you male out or had another breeder come to your kennel?
There was a major outbreak of it in Al. a couple years ago, and really if it is that all you can do is put all your dogs down.
There are more causes to this that just stds, but is the base to look at. This is why most breeders will not breed to outside dogs without the std test.
Cheap kibbles, parasites, change in weather ect can also effect, bitches fighting as I know pugs can be quite the little fighters, all are factors that it could be based on. If you stud is over 5 it may be him, a stud Dog should be able to cover every two days for max sperm count, but should rest the day after and only be bred every 48 hours. But with 5 bitches not getting pregnant, that really throws a big red flag up for me and I would have the vet come out or take them to the vet for testing, the std pannel isnt that much and youll only need to test one.
Sorry that you have had to experience this, and I wish we had a silver bullet for you. |
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| arachyd |
| Posted 1/13/2008 7:19:57 PM |
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With 5 bitches and 2 studs but no pregnancies I'd have to agree it sounds like brucellosis. |
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| velmadobe |
| Posted 1/13/2008 10:15:00 PM |
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Quote velmadobe: this is a puppy selling site, that means its a breeder site.
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well then I guess it is a site for bybers and greeders so since I actually breed for the show ring and only once so far in my 15 years in the breed, I am certainly NOT the kind of breeder to have any say here.
Guess I'll go stick with the actual reputable breeders that take the time to learn about the breed, show and actually understand that reproduction issues should be taken to a reproductive specialist and not a pet forum.
I'm sure this will be edited also. |
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| gbat1stop |
| Posted 1/14/2008 8:18:41 AM |
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| Quote velmadobe: well then I guess it is a site for bybers and greeders so since I actually breed for the show ring and only once so far in my 15 years in the breed, I am certainly NOT the kind of breeder to have any say... |
 100% Three are some problems that should be left for vets and specialists. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 1/14/2008 10:10:12 PM |
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I agree this is not a diagnose your pet forum, however this is a site that is supported, and was created for the sole purpose of selling Puppies. right or wrong rbs or millers, its wrong to bash some one for breeding on this site, thats why the rules above where created.
dont take it personally its just part of the job, you wouldnt go to vegan dinner and complain they didnt serve steak would you, yes i know that analogy is lame but maybe it will get the point across, with out the breeders that pay for services this site offers, none of us would be typing on this page. |
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| velmadobe |
| Posted 1/14/2008 11:19:42 PM |
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but see, I'd be only too happy to see the end of the on line selling of dogs. I've got plenty of Doberman only forums to post on - none of which advocate the type of breeder you find on next day pets.
I make myself look through the doberman section of Puppies for sale every so often - even though it makes me want to cry everytime. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 1/15/2008 9:05:29 AM |
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admirable intentions and Im not saying your wrong, but at the same time, this is what it is, you accept it and try to help as many people as you can, voice your opinions, but as long as it falls inline with the rules above.
Honestly, do you think the breeders are going to stop breeding because you think its wrong? Is cattle ranches going to stop raising cows because peta thinks its wrong, no, why, because of money, tabbaco companies poison millions of people a day, and well, thats obviously not stopping anytime soon because it involves too much money.
You have offered some great advice and am glad you do drop by from time to time, just please follow the rules. |
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| ludmilahunter |
| Posted 1/15/2008 9:20:38 AM |
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| Quote Texasbabies: I have been breeding Pugs for over seven years. I have suddenly ran into breeding problems. I had 2 females that came into heat about a week from each other. I bred them both to one of my males. A while... |
Hi, I came down with the same problem. In last 2 months out of 6 females I bred I had 1 pregnancy(1 puppy). This happened in 2 different breeds Pugs and Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. I am suspecting food I switched brands about 3-4 months ago. Is it possible? What you feed? |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 1/15/2008 10:46:11 AM |
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| Quote ludmilahunter: Hi, I came down with the same problem. In last 2 months out of 6 females I bred I had 1 pregnancy(1 puppy). This happened in 2 different breeds Pugs and Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. I am suspecting... |
Foods can play a part in it, many common brand foods contain the drug they use to put animals down with, and i believe that effects more than the fda or companies are willing to admit, I have tons of links that the rest of the people are hear are tired of hearing about, feel free to email me at kabukienot@yahoo.com and I can email you the list of foods that contain the drug, I was a hard core proplan user until i seen the results of the testing. |
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| Texasbabies |
| Posted 1/15/2008 8:41:31 PM |
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Thank you for all the helpful info. I have a vet app., I hope it's not as bad as I think it is. To answer questions: both males are under 5. Down here in Texas the food that alot of people feed is called Diamond. It's suppose to be really good food. I live way off out in the boonies, so neighbors are pretty far away. I haven't seen any strays. I do have people that come to my house though. Can brucellosis be tracked on people's shoes to here? I really don't want to tell people that they can't come to my house.
Lastly, I have no desire to fight with anyone. I'm a lover, not a fighter. I have very nice Pugs and I love them. I would like to show dogs, but that isn't very possible when your a single mom w/ 2 kids. Besides, if you are on the road showing you can't really breed at the same time-I love my babies. I very seldom make any money selling my babies-I'm in the hole alot of the time. I make families very happy with their new additions. For the record, I've only placed one ad on here ever. Anyway, for people that think no one should breed dogs-let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. |
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| Texasbabies |
| Posted 1/15/2008 8:49:00 PM |
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oh, also...It has been over a year since I bred someone's Dog for them. It was someone I knew, it was their inside dog, and she had never been bred before. |
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| CannonFarms |
| Posted 1/15/2008 11:16:26 PM |
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I liked diamond for some time, i sub feed my dogs with the chicken soup for the Dog lovers soul, however I dont like their kibbles anymore than any others, back a few months ago when i was over whelmed with rescues i had to feed the naturals and it gave every Dog the runs and gas, not good with danes.
The other varrieties have allot of corn in them and thats not good for dogs, read the myth about dogs need carbs and grains on www.rawfed.com myths section to understand why. |
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